Attention Overgeared DPS in AK

[Amyas]

I'm a main tank and I agree that tanks need to l2p. If your dps are pulling trash mobs you're doing it wrong.

Oh lol. You must not know tanking and hate mechanics very well then.

I do keep with "DD's" not DPS, my DD's I run with do 180 DPS+ and I hold hate just fine, most DF "DD's" cant do more than 100 "DPS".

You just are lucky enough not to have ran with DDs that like to ignore marks and go all out before you even get your +enmity combo then. Go back and read what I've written before saying 'you can hold hate just fine'.

Because I never lose hate? Sounds like you're the one with mechanic issues, friend. We're just here to try to help you.

Reading is hard :x see my reply to Jeronlmo. Its like no one even bothers to read past the thread title xD

If you can keep hate when each dd is going all out on a different mob and they pull them away from you while running around in circles, *golf clap*. Grats for being a tryhard and putting up with it I guess. I don't, it takes too long to kill mobs and makes my job more difficult.

[Naelle]

Oh lol. You must not know tanking and hate mechanics very well then.

Because I never lose hate? Sounds like you're the one with mechanic issues, friend. We're just here to try to help you.

Edit to an edit: That is exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if both of my relic dps are on different mobs I hold hate fine. You need to learn to cycle and figure out exactly how much enmity you gain per skill use.

[Amyas]

Edit to an edit: That is exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if both of my relic dps are on different mobs I hold hate fine. You need to learn to cycle and figure out exactly how much enmity you gain per skill use.

I know exactly how much hate my skills will net me. I know how to tab through targets and see who has how much hate on what mob and use my skills accordingly. Usually start the butcher's block combo on the first mob and finish it on the one with next highest hate, while suplementing with overpower (flash if any are slept). This thread is about overgeared 'cocky' dds that don't even let tanks get their first +enmity off before attacking the wrong mob, not me having enmity issues xD

[Amyas]

Dear tank: If I'm stealing hate with a single Shadow Flare as scholar, you're doing it wrong.

Signed - A scholar who somehow keeps getting hate with Shadow Flare in AK.

Never had that problem with scholars or summoners, personally. Aoes are fine, after I've at least pulled, flashed and got my +enmity combo off.

Void Call is interruptable.

That is what is so bad :x My single (long cd) stun isn't enough to keep it from doing it though when dds focus on using aoes and not even sleeping/stunning it.

What about when I pull hate off of your primary target?

Then its my fault then, I was either taking a drink or typing in ls chat or otherwise distracted.

if you have bad dps bursting at the start try changing your openers. If you are really doing everything you can, then there is nothing you can do.

Tomahawk into Overpower, soon as the damage initiates, provoke into rotation. It sucks, but if thats what you are referencing, thats really all you can do.

My earlier comments are to tanks that cant hold after I give them 5 seconds and still nothing.

I normally pull with tomahawk, but if its just a single group I'll mark 1, run in middle of em and flash, then start enmity combo on marked mob. I don't mind having to 'voke and tomahawk if I mess up a bit (makes me feel like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat)



Overpower isn't really enough to start with if you have some overzealous dds with you, its only a *tiny* bit better than flash, but the animation takes longer (err seems that way to me anyways) and it can mess with your combos that you *really* need if people are focusing on the right target.

Post of the year award goes to....


Let me break this down for you. You can interrupt the summon on trash mobs, and in fact most DPS will expect you to, because thats your job..

Read some more of the thread, we all know what happens when you assume xD Warrior stun only lasts for 6 seconds.

[Jeronlmo]

You just are lucky enough not to have ran with DDs that like to ignore marks and go all out before you even get your +enmity combo then. Go back and read what I've written before saying 'you can hold hate just fine'.



Reading is hard :x see my reply to Jeronlmo. Its like no one even bothers to read past the thread title xD

If you can keep hate when each dd is going all out on a different mob and they pull them away from you while running around in circles, *golf clap*. Grats for being a tryhard and putting up with it I guess. I don't, it takes too long to kill mobs and makes my job more difficult.

Fight or Flight > Circle of Scorn > Flash > Spirits within the mob that should be targeted first (succubus) > Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash. If the DD's do not know the correct kill order you just switch to the mob that they are on, AK only gives you 2 DD's to compete against.

Real hard scrub.

[Amyas]

Fight or Flight > Circle of Scorn > Flash > Spirits within the mob that should be targeted first (succubus) > Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash. If the DD's do not know the correct kill order you just switch to the mob that they are on, AK only gives you 2 DD's to compete against.

Real hard scrub.

LOL! If you can hold hate with just flash and your gimpy aoe damage attack then your dds just plain don't know how to play, simple. (bit hard to 'just switch to mob they're on when they pull them away and run around out of 'voke range, but good on you, you must play with your friends and FC only I hope)

I swear, people just don't know how to read, you're embarrassing yourself.

Are you implying the DPS make it a game to make you look bad because you cannot hold aggro? I have NEVER EVER NEVER done that 0.o

I'm not the one that looks bad in that situation there buddy. You must be one of the ones that ignores marks and does what you want, good for you. Hope you run with your FC or LS, if not, have fun waiting.

[Jeronlmo]

LOL! If you can hold hate with just flash and your gimpy aoe damage attack then your dds just plain don't know how to play, simple.

I swear, people just don't know how to read, you're embarrassing yourself.

Mobs die before hate can be lost, you really need to let the fact that you are bad soak in, your the gimp pld in DF who ditches groups for doing their job.

[Amyas]

Mobs die before hate can be lost, you really need to let the fact that you are bad soak in, your the gimp pld in DF who ditches groups for doing their job.

Please l2read.

Overpower gives enmity = damage x3. With defiance it's damage x6. That's way higher than flash as a Warrior.

I'll keep this in mind, I usually hold off on it because I'm expecting sleeps on those than can be slept (particularly to interrupt the voidwalker summoners, as my single stun isn't enough if dds are all over the place). I'll try starting with that on close groups like the fanatics when I run with the 'big boys' from now on.

[NeoAmon]

LOL! If you can hold hate with just flash and your gimpy aoe damage attack then your dds just plain don't know how to play, simple.

I swear, people just don't know how to read, you're embarrassing yourself.

Please l2tank. You are telling ppl who are on turn 5 to l2p, are u freaking kidding me? You think we need you to tank trash in the first place? lel, I have 4.4k health with food and party buff on a freaking BLM...I will wipe 3-4 trash before you are able to finish half your rotation and you are complaining?

Powered DPS = no bees, no wipes, no 3rd add on last boss..heck first boss would die before he is able to summon a 3rd golem.

[Amyas]

Please l2tank. You are telling ppl who are on turn 5 to l2p, are u freaking kidding me? You think we need you to tank trash in the first place? lel, I have 4.4k health with food and party buff on a freaking BLM...I will wipe 3-4 trash before you are able to finish half your rotation and you are complaining?

Powered DPS = no bees, no wipes, no 3rd add on last boss..heck first boss would die before he is able to summon a 3rd golem.

This thread isn't about you, okay? Is that so hard to understand? Its one thing if the mobs actually do DIE that quickly, but when the dds have all this endgame crap and can't even down the voidwalker summoner before she summons, even if I stun it, they are doing it wrong.
Gotta love how you're jumping on me to defend bad dds.