Lagg upon lagg upon lagg

[Anderian]

Surprisingly enough there is still a portion of people left in the world still using dial up modems.

And i'm using good old ADSL through copper phone lines and i'm not getting any lag at all, during any prime time (EU and US) on my server, so either it's a problem only affecting specific servers or theres a problem with how your ISP is handling the data during EU prime time to the SE servers, or the ISP that connects SE servers to your ISP has a problem (assuming the ISP you use isn't a world wide provider).

Since you seem to have all the answer, and are so willing to heap all the blame on the end user, would you like to comment on the fact that this is happening across multiple countries and ISPs? Or how about the fact that after playing something close to 20 different MMOs in my time, with a healthy amount of them on US servers (most notably WoW, EQ2 and Warhammer) this is the first time I've experience this sort of constant stuttering and lag spikes during prime time, any word on that?
Why in the name of all that's holy, are you making excuses for a company you don't work for?

Oh gosh you are right, i must be imagining my smooth gaming experience.
Maybe it isn't a case of defending but more of a case of pointing out other factors that could be causing the problem. You know... trying to be helpful in some small way.
Sorry if i just don't blindly dash out with you with my torch and pitchfork.
Maybe there are prime time problems to do with too many connections etc but as silly as it may appear to you not every single connection problem will be that.

I offered information and other factors to look at. Nothing more.

My god, are you serious? You are not being helpful in the slightest, you are being self-righteous and blaming people for the PROBLEMS THEY ARE HAVING. Are you insane?

Edit: And for the record, this isn't about your personal "smooth experience", this is about multiple players having constant lag issues.

[Sixmp]

My god, are you serious? You are not being helpful in the slightest, you are being self-righteous and blaming people for the PROBLEMS THEY ARE HAVING. Are you insane?

Really? You didn't read my first post then. You know the post that pointed out about how it could a problem with one of the HOPS his connection goes through to the server.
Please explain how that is blaming him?

[Rillifane]

Since you seem to have all the answer, and are so willing to heap all the blame on the end user, would you like to comment on the fact that this is happening across multiple countries and ISPs? Or how about the fact that after playing something close to 20 different MMOs in my time, with a healthy amount of them on US servers (most notably WoW, EQ2 and Warhammer) this is the first time I've experience this sort of constant stuttering and lag spikes during prime time, any word on that?
Why in the name of all that's holy, are you making excuses for a company you don't work for?
My god, are you serious? You are not being helpful in the slightest, you are being self-righteous and blaming people for the PROBLEMS THEY ARE HAVING. Are you insane?

Apparently you don't like to read, because i placed no blame on the end user. I merely listed possibilities which are in fact common occurrences, you however seem to be quick to judge and jump down people's throats when they provided fair logical possibilities.

[Anderian]

Apparently you don't like to read, because i placed no blame on the end user. I merely listed possibilities which are in fact common occurrences, you however seem to be quick to judge and jump down people's throats when they provided fair logical possibilities.

Alright, I admit that I am slightly agitated over this, as this has been going on for weeks now. But my point is, however crudely I've tried to made it, that it's very likely that the problem is, if not entirely, at least partially on S-Es end. Okay? If a person would be experiencing these problems on multiple overseas services, then you could make a case that it's on their end. But trying to find the fault on the user's end is really not helping anyone, because we need to actually get an official word out of Square-Enix regarding this matter.

[Rillifane]

Alright, I admit that I am slightly agitated over this, as this has been going on for weeks now. But my point is, however crudely I've tried to made it, that it's very likely that the problem is, if not entirely, at least partially on S-Es end. Okay? If a person would be experiencing these problems on multiple overseas services, then you could make a case that it's on their end. But trying to find the fault on the user's end is really not helping anyone, because we need to actually get an official word out of Square-Enix regarding this matter.

The point i try to make in a lot of these threads is that you can't always blame the location of the servers, as i said in one previous post in this thread, if the coding of the server is extremely bad even having the server in your back garden won't fix this. And the problem can also occur in places outside of both SE and the end user's hand which lies with the ISPs and how they decide to handle data as they do not handle every MMO's data the same way (example being how many people are being p2p throttled for FFXIV but there's also people who are not being affected by it). And as i also stated i get no lag on my server of hyperion, but on yours of odin you do. So that could indicate that there is a problem with whatever hardware is being used to host/run odin.
Most likely it is due to the programming SE has their end for their servers due to the fact that even people within canada itself have problems from time to time, but without any real truthful answers given to us by SE the best we can do is calmly discuss this to avoid threads getting deleted/locked from discussions getting out of hand.

[Sixmp]

Edit: And for the record, this isn't about your personal "smooth experience", this is about multiple players having constant lag issues.

No this is about how you looked at a thread about lag on the game and someone who was trying to help didn't jump up and down blaming every thing on SE like you wanted them to.
You then started making posts attacking said person in various ways getting more and more angry by the minute until they though **** ** and walked away until they dropped by to see how the thread ended up.
If you read through the thread you will see i mentioned my smooth experience you said... "Why is it that there are always people on these forums that do nothing but try to defend the poor state...."
My reply was...
Oh gosh you are right, i must be imagining my smooth gaming experience.
Maybe it isn't a case of defending but more of a case of pointing out other factors that could be causing the problem. You know... trying to be helpful in some small way.
Sorry if i just don't blindly dash out with you with my torch and pitchfork.
Maybe there are prime time problems to do with too many connections etc but as silly as it may appear to you not every single connection problem will be that.

I offered information and other factors to look at. Nothing more.

If anything this thread was one person who needed help and you decided to basically lose it attacking the people who wanted to help him.


So hopefully you will have calm down by the time you read this. As i saw you reply in a better tone to someone else you were having a go at.

Context means everything .