Lagg upon lagg upon lagg

[Tupsi]

Why is it that there are always people on these forums that do nothing but try to defend the poor state the servers are in? Y

Why is it that there are always people on the forums thinking everyone is having lag issues when it's only a very vocal group of people that are? If the servers are in a poor state, everyone would be affected, you know, like how we had to fight our way onto the servers? Remember that? THAT was an issue that affected everyone.

[Anderian]

Everyone complaining about "server lag" is just in denial about either their gpu isn't up to snuff or their Internet sucks. Sorry bout it.

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Well done. You've cracked the mystery. Everybody here is just playing on Commodore 64s, using a dial-up modem, brilliant! I'm just imagining my computer with GTX 680, using 100/10 mbps FIOS connection, thank you so much for solving the problem. /clap

Why is it that there are always people on the forums thinking everyone is having lag issues when it's only a very vocal group of people that are? If the servers are in a poor state, everyone would be affected, you know, like how we had to fight our way onto the servers? Remember that? THAT was an issue that affected everyone.

Yes, clearly the rest of us are just too stupid to use our willpower to make the servers not stutter during primetime, despite being able to play every other game, and connect to every other service without problem. How about you stop assuming that we are a minority? Most of us that have this problem just had enough of people like you, and the fact that nothing is being done about it, and moved on.

[Sixmp]

Judging from Google results it does not play fine, the reality is basic physics and networking mean localised data centres give better performance, which is why many games go to the expense of having separate data centres, your excuses don't alter that fact.

If it didn't play fine it wouldn't have lasted 11 years and still be going. Naturally a localized data center would give better results.
It does not however mean that playing the game where it is would make the game unplayable. I know this to be fact as i have played FFXI and i also have no problems in my server in Canada and i am playing from the UK.

I am sure i could google any other mmo out there and find server problems even with localized servers. Therefore my points are valid and therefore are not as you like to point out excuses.

[Conkers]

Again you need to think again, based on how the ISPs decide to handle the data and how the routers themselves have been programmed, which routers are currently up/down, the latency of the cables at a given time of day CAN cause you to be sent through more hops and this happens on a regular basis.

Erm, yes I know that, it is also irrelevant to the point that localised data centres give better performance and that the routing issues at peak times are just exacerbated by not having a separate European data centre.

[Synthesis]

I am on this trace thing from 130-152 is that okey ?

[Rillifane]

using a dial-up modem

Surprisingly enough there is still a portion of people left in the world still using dial up modems.

using 100/10 mbps FIOS connection

And i'm using good old ADSL through copper phone lines and i'm not getting any lag at all, during any prime time (EU and US) on my server, so either it's a problem only affecting specific servers or theres a problem with how your ISP is handling the data during EU prime time to the SE servers, or the ISP that connects SE servers to your ISP has a problem (assuming the ISP you use isn't a world wide provider).

[Sixmp]

Why is it that there are always people on these forums that do nothing but try to defend the poor state....

Oh gosh you are right, i must be imagining my smooth gaming experience.
Maybe it isn't a case of defending but more of a case of pointing out other factors that could be causing the problem. You know... trying to be helpful in some small way.
Sorry if i just don't blindly dash out with you with my torch and pitchfork.
Maybe there are prime time problems to do with too many connections etc but as silly as it may appear to you not every single connection problem will be that.

I offered information and other factors to look at. Nothing more.

[Rillifane]

Erm, yes I know that, it is also irrelevant to the point that localised data centres give better performance and that the routing issues at peak times are just exacerbated by not having a separate European data centre.

Not really at all, i've played many MMO's on both US and EU servers from within the EU. And here's a bit of information for you, having localised servers with the internet speeds we have access to now isn't a magical cure-all fix for most problems people encounter as most of the time it's how an individuals ISP is handling the data, the quality of the route being sent down which local or none local servers have no control over, or it's the coding of the servers themselves (which even if the server was in your back yard you would still get bad lag).

[Anderian]

Surprisingly enough there is still a portion of people left in the world still using dial up modems.

And i'm using good old ADSL through copper phone lines and i'm not getting any lag at all, during any prime time (EU and US) on my server, so either it's a problem only affecting specific servers or theres a problem with how your ISP is handling the data during EU prime time to the SE servers, or the ISP that connects SE servers to your ISP has a problem (assuming the ISP you use isn't a world wide provider).

Since you seem to have all the answer, and are so willing to heap all the blame on the end user, would you like to comment on the fact that this is happening across multiple countries and ISPs? Or how about the fact that after playing something close to 20 different MMOs in my time, with a healthy amount of them on US servers (most notably WoW, EQ2 and Warhammer) this is the first time I've experience this sort of constant stuttering and lag spikes during prime time, any word on that?
Why in the name of all that's holy, are you making excuses for a company you don't work for?

Oh gosh you are right, i must be imagining my smooth gaming experience.
Maybe it isn't a case of defending but more of a case of pointing out other factors that could be causing the problem. You know... trying to be helpful in some small way.
Sorry if i just don't blindly dash out with you with my torch and pitchfork.
Maybe there are prime time problems to do with too many connections etc but as silly as it may appear to you not every single connection problem will be that.

I offered information and other factors to look at. Nothing more.

My god, are you serious? You are not being helpful in the slightest, you are being self-righteous and blaming people for the PROBLEMS THEY ARE HAVING. Are you insane?

Edit: And for the record, this isn't about your personal "smooth experience", this is about multiple players having constant lag issues.

[Vod]

I have zero lag. Must be your internets.