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    Lol, a 2.0 to my guide eh? It's not too bad but I'd point out the error on suggesting Mantra. It's 5% if you use it cross class and is overridden by a Monk as their bonus is 20%, making their healing contribution well sought out for in end game and necessary to have a 6th skill to swap out for as these are common even when doing dungeon finder PUG groups. You also swapped internal release for featherfoot, I would like to see the math on an STR warrior on why you are suggesting this.

    I would also point out the unnecessary /wait commands in your macros- Macro logic is very clear about using the first available ability in a sequence.

    Lastly is the point of those "Warrior combo" macros not being sure-fire. Adding a /wait 2.5 will work most of the time, but if you lag for even a second or miss either the initial heavy swing or skull sunder your macro will force the player to waste an un-combo'd butcher's block and potentially a skull sunder and this should be noted in your guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    Lol, a 2.0 to my guide eh? It's not too bad but I'd point out the error on suggesting Mantra. It's 5% if you use it cross class and is overridden by a Monk as their bonus is 20%, making their healing contribution well sought out for in end game and necessary to have a 6th skill to swap out for as these are common even when doing dungeon finder PUG groups. You also swapped internal release for featherfoot, I would like to see the math on an STR warrior on why you are suggesting this.

    I would also point out the unnecessary /wait commands in your macros- Macro logic is very clear about using the first available ability in a sequence.

    Lastly is the point of those "Warrior combo" macros not being sure-fire. Adding a /wait 2.5 will work most of the time, but if you lag for even a second or miss either the initial

    heavy swing or skull sunder your macro will force the player to waste an un-combo'd butcher's block and potentially a skull sunder and this should be noted in your guide.
    You guide is very informative as well. I have been piecing mine together for a couple weeks. Although it wasn't polished, I figured there was enough info to toss it up here on the OF.

    Thank you very much in pointing that out about Mantra. I definitely overlooked that it was not 10%, as I didn't even read the skill text since Phase 3. Even if it stacked with PGL/MNK, that 5% is pretty useless. I will probably swap the Internal Release for Featherfoot or Awareness. Featherfoot seems better by far as on a miss damage would negate to 0, where as a critical only deals ~40% more damage and is not common on endgame bosses and only trash mobs.

    I like to keep Internal Release for the HP Absorb Macro. Adding an additional 20% onto the 10% from having Infuriate tends to make Second Wind and Inner Beast Crit very often.

    Edited: I added in some of my math from what you can gain from stacking STR. It's not fully complete.

    The reason for the /wait command in my Macro is because I want all those skills to fire in order to buff the double Inner Beast. Without the /wait line, the accuracy of the Macro is not very good. Although as a macro, it can fire the first buffed Inner Beast in ~1.5 seconds.

    Having those two Combo's Macro'd does take some getting used to, as you are correct that if you run out of range of the mob or doing anything that would cause a skill to "error" then it will move to the next skill in order effectively losing your combo bonus. I'm working on a way too for it to trigger the next skill during the 3/4 of the GCD so as to speed up the macro as well. Managing that skillset by Macro is pretty straight forward and really cleans up the action bar. I will add a warning of the issues to the macro guide though, in case there are those that may not be familiar with the function of Macro's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    I would like to see the math on a STR warrior and why you are suggesting this.
    I got everything fairly updated. Hope you find the read interesting. I don't have any testing on Parry mitigation from increasing STR as I was mostly looking into Warrior's lack of mitigation from spike damage on bosses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
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    I was under the impression that Mantra is 10% under 45, not 5.

    Regardless, I feel the only useless cross class skills are Savage Blade (skull sunder is the same) and depending on the boss, Inner Release can be a better choice then Featherfoot or Awareness. Savage Blade is the only truly useless skill for War, but Awareness, Featherfoot, Release and Mantra all have rolls to play.

    Second wind should be comboed with berzerk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhun View Post
    ... but Awareness, Featherfoot, Release and Mantra all have rolls to play.

    Second wind should be comboed with berzerk.
    A very good point, but unless you provide clear examples the OP can't include it in his guide or won't so his guide isn't as confusing. Some fights favor more evasion, true, but no boss has a notably high crit rate worth the 25% crit reduction bonus in lieu of dodge that I've run into yet. A good point on second wind that should be noted, I tend to pop it just prior to berserk to maximize damage.
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