High-level crafters beware: You get suspended if you sell to players who bought gil

[Deedsie]

All this and a spam shouter with a *headslamkeyboard* name that I had to blacklist TWICE yesterday is still up and around spam shouting in Ul'Dah.

[scarebearz]

Today's gaming:

Log in.
Woot that 2 star HQ item I crafted legitimately sold for 1.25mil.
Log out.
Try to log in - Suspended.

....

I've never cheated or used 3rd party programs/maro's in games, yet suspended for having too much gil.

[Neasa]

... Wow. For the first time, I'm actually glad I wasted all that gil at the end of 1.0. >.>
What are you doing, SE?

[Aenarion]

Well, if you want to talk about real life law, possession of stolen goods is a crime. So, let's say that hobo off the street robbed a bank to get that cash, then gave it to you for the Ferrari. You are now subject to criminal investigation while the police determine whether or not you knew the cash was stolen.

If you're going to make RL analogies, then at least make accurate ones.

Possession of stolen goods is only a crime IF the owner had reasonable cause to believe the goods are stolen. In this case, the equivalent would be akin to someone getting arrested for possession of stolen goods simply for selling stocks on the stock exchange.

In other words, will never happen

[Dreamer]

What makes you (or the Reddit poster) think that they were suspended for selling to a player who bought gil?

It seems like the player was banned and he's just guessing as to the cause...

This. People need to stop treating wild speculation as fact.

[Heather]

I don't know why they took this approach for, they should have launched with a right click report spam feature that captures the text with the name. it is = a gil seller then ban him.

[Eard]

Gil laundering, that's why

[Mattatron]

Gil laundering, that's why

I think that's it right there.

[Acelynne]

Coming from FFXI, I remember similar things happening after the STF was introduced and during the height of the RMT issues in the game. This was before the hard limit of sending money via Delivery Box was set to 1 million Gil. There were stories, unconfirmed and confirmed, of players getting banned just for selling items on the Auction House and getting paid millions of Gil for it. Other issues were Linkshell members who handled the LS bank and transferring money to and from LS members. It would flag them as RMT thinking that the one in charge of the LS bank was selling Gil or was a delivery person for an RMT site. I don't believe it is happening nowadays in XI, but I have heard these stories before.

[Acelynne]

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It's a blanket tactic honestly. It's hard to pinpoint an actual RMT player. Most effective way is to monitor monetary transactions between two or more players. In FFXI, I've observed and reported RMT players that used tactics such as selling benign objects like crystals or bone chips in bazaars or if I caught them in the Auction House. They'd be sitting in Port San d'Oria or places with very little players around them. It's too obvious when you see an RMT bazaar selling multiple single item Fire crystals for 1 million, 10 million, 20 mil., 50 mil., or 100 mil. Gil each. And, when you catch it in the Auction House, it sets a red flag. And the items are bought by mules belonging to the actual player. And, they'll use their mules to do so.