Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[MalcolmReynolds]

I feel like if you think bard damage is too high you've never looked at a parser.

It's not strictly the damage. It's also the utility stacked with it. Why take someone that deals equal damage if that's all they do when you can take BRD and have the same damage and make your healer's job easier as they aren't in the line of fire as often? Plus the occasional song when needed. That's why you see parties taking several bards at once over melee DPS.

Funny how most of the posts against any sort of change seem to be coming from BRDs themselves.

not new to the mmo world, been around the block buddy.. why take away the sole reason why alot of people rolled bard. thats the 1 thing they have that makes them diffrent. dont put every class into a defined sector. jeliousy is not a good color on you man

Wrong on that one, "buddy." BRD was designed to be support. You are essentially put into the "defined sector" you seem to speak of by being pretty much all DPS at the moment, aside from the occasional fight when the casters need some MP. But that's more of an oversight on SE's part as there isn't really a "support" grouping as far as the duty finder is concerned but the fact remains, you are just DPS now. A DPS with really nice perks that overshadow most of the positives any other DPS classes have.

[fauxpas]

It's not strictly the damage. It's also the utility stacked with it. Why take someone that deals equal damage if that's all they do when you can take BRD and have the same damage and make your healer's job easier as they aren't in the line of fire as often? Plus the occasional song when needed. That's why you see parties taking several bards at once over melee DPS.

Funny how most of the posts against any sort of change seem to be coming from BRDs themselves.

funny how all complaints about bards are from monks and dragoons? why why wouldent a bard stick up for his class when some asshat makes stupid claims about something that they realyl dont know about

[MalcolmReynolds]

funny how all complaints about bards are from monks and dragoons? why why wouldent a bard stick up for his class when some asshat makes stupid claims about something that they realyl dont know about

Right, because they're the ones most affected by how unbalanced your class is at the moment. Why wouldn't they say something when the majority of DPS slots are filled with bards?

By the way, personal insults don't make your argument any stronger. They just make you look like a child.

[Iroukan]

funny how all complaints about bards are from monks and dragoons? why why wouldent a bard stick up for his class when some asshat makes stupid claims about something that they realyl dont know about

I know the feeling, everyone need to be special.

[Sindalis]

Bard is the job I wanted to play specifically because I fell in love with the mobility, proc based play, and support elements of the class. I kinda am a bit scared with the patch in 2.1 based off SE's history with nerfs from the FFXI days. That and I don't want to be a stationary caster... i want to be able to run around, kite, shoot, dodge, duck, and weave. Right now, I'm frankly terrified they will make the class basically unplayable.

That all being said, are bards too good now? Absolutely not.
Could they need some adjusting? Maybe
If you had to adjust anything what would it be? Make it require 15 CNJ instead of 15 PGL, remove cross class abilities from PGL and replace with cross class from CNJ (that means losing Internal Release but gaining actual support abilities, just like bard should have been from the start)

That would bring back a few more of the support roles Bards should have had, while still being a good DPS with no major tweaking to the job needed.

[Bardo]

... replace with cross class from CNJ (that means losing Internal Release but gaining actual support abilities, just like bard should have been from the start)

Huh?
What support abilities would we get from Conj?
Can't cast Raise in combat.
MND is EXTREMELY low, so cure would hit for ~100.
Protect is 100% redundant.

So that leaves Stoneskin?
You want to trade away the best possible cross class damage buff that we have for a weak (untraited) stoneskin that would run us out of mana in 3 casts and prevent us from being able to sing Foe?

Come on now... that wouldn't make us any more support oriented.
It would end up being a fairly significant damage nerf at endgame, and give us virtually nothing to show for it.

[Aeser]

It seems people are completely over reacting. I sincerely doubt SE would completely "nerf" the class into oblivion. it's an adjustment simply due to people playing the class better and as a result doing more than originally intended. If the so called "nerf" drives people into re rolling or quitting the game. then good riddance as they were never going to stay anyway. It wont change how bard is very useful in all fights.

[Gunba]

It's not strictly the damage. It's also the utility stacked with it.

Bards do less damage than other classes though, hence why I said check a parser. The mobility and the utility (which also reduces our damage further) is the tradeoff. Songs aren't that great either without the use of Battle Voice. At the end of the day the class has a high skill floor and can help compensate for healers who mismanage MP - of course it's going to be popular with the average player.

Wrong on that one, "buddy." BRD was designed to be support. A DPS with really nice perks that overshadow most of the positives any other DPS classes have.

There is no support classification, nor is there a DPS job that uses a bow. Every DPS class has some kind of support utility. You're a lancer, what would you call disembowel?

[MalcolmReynolds]

Bards do less damage than other classes though, hence why I said check a parser. The mobility and the utility (which also reduces our damage further) is the tradeoff. Songs aren't that great either without the use of Battle Voice. At the end of the day the class has a high skill floor and can help compensate for healers who mismanage MP - of course it's going to be popular with the average player.

There is no support classification, nor is there a DPS job that uses a bow. Every DPS class has some kind of support utility. You're a lancer, what would you call disembowel?

Not nearly as useful when lancers have to break off DPSing while BRDs get to keep firing away, taking advantage of the buff?

Point is, endgame, a lot of fights require movement. This will gimp everyone except bards. Your lower damage doesn't mean squat if you can still keep attacking while moving while those with higher damage are forced to stop.

Alright, I lied in my last post. I will give a small amount of feedback on how I think monk should be changed. I would change Increased Action Damage I and II

Example

Increased Action Damage II: Increases base action damage by 20% after standing still for 3 seconds. This buff lasts for 1 second after moving.

This targets their mobility without removing it. This targets their damage without lowering it. Last but not least this targets their positioning without changing their abilities.

This is a great solution IMO.

[Gunba]

Point is, endgame, a lot of fights require movement. This will gimp everyone except bards. Your lower damage doesn't mean squat if you can still keep attacking while moving while those with higher damage are forced to stop.

The later fights generally require less movement, but ignoring that, you're essentially just describing the entire idea. We do lower damage, we have higher mobility. People playing higher DPS classes (read: every class) will win on meters if they can minimize their unnecessary movement (read: a skill). If you torpedo your BLM damage because you have parkinsons maybe you shouldn't play that class. Players who are capable of minimal movement while DPSing will keep up on Titan and win in BC compared to bards.