The problem with "Instant OFF GCD" abilities makes combat feel less rewarding.

[Furio]

Completely agree.

Combat is utter crap as it is.

And Vahn, source please.

This game does have non GCD abilities that are intented to be used reactively. Why else keep them OFF the gcd? So no, it's not working as intended.

The system is broken, period. You can't even do your regular rotation in the fear your stun won't register on time (Paladins on Ifrit HM for example).

Really, did you even see the videos posted by the OP? It's obvious.

[Waliel]

Soooo.... really off GCD skills are on GCD skills. I have to hit it like 5 times to get it to go off, that usually takes most of the GCD.

What is the point of an off GCD skill then?

You only have to hit it once at the right time -- the time being half point of your GCD -- and the animations line up perfectly, so no GCD time lost, unless you use more than one at a time. Until the game decides to interrupt your skills and spells for no reason whatsoever, that is. Reactionary stuns, etc. are impossible to get off in time if you just used a skill is something I can agree on. There is also the problem of having to wait for the "longish" stun animations to finish for the effect to actually go through.

Translation, this is caused by the same problem as the AoE and server latency, we don't know how to fix it so you will have to live with it.

It's caused by not allowing you to overwrite animations with another, and we know exactly why the AoE latency is happening and how to fix it. It's because the server checks your position every 0.3 seconds and needs to be lowered to 0.1.

[Jinko]

It's caused by not allowing you to overwrite animations with another, and we know exactly why the AoE latency is happening and how to fix it. It's because the server checks your position every 0.3 seconds and needs to be lowered to 0.1.

I don't think is effected by animation, sometimes I can whip through my cooldowns really fast but other times they will be held back by latency and in some cases the cooldown animation will play and the skill won't take effect, a second later the skill has reset.
(I'm pretty sure this is because the client is saying yes you can use that skill, and the server is saying no you can't)

Fact is neither of those things ill be fixed, and I still think 100ms is too high.

I'd be interested to know what WoW uses for position checks, cause that is what they should be aiming for.

[Aibo]

Yep all those "Instant" abilities are pretty unresponsive. Using, for example, Swiftcast > Divine Seal > Medica II requires ~3 seconds of button mashing.
Or using Swifcast and then Raise right away will just cast Raise with it's normal cast time.

It just feels unfair how fast you have to react to the game mechanics at times, yet the game can't react fast enough to player's actions.

[Waliel]

I don't think is effected by animation, sometimes I can whip through my cooldowns really fast but other times they will be held back by latency and in some cases the cooldown animation will play and the skill won't take effect, a second later the skill has reset.
(I'm pretty sure this is because the client is saying yes you can use that skill, and the server is saying no you can't)

Sounds like reasonable explanation fo that, but the fact is that you can't start a new animation until the old one is finished, which is also the reason why off-GCD skills won't fire off instantly if used right after another skill.

I'd be interested to know what WoW uses for position checks, cause that is what they should be aiming for.

My wild guess would be a combination of client and server side checks. In the WotLK era, sprint from Druids and Rogues would cause some quirky positional updating that made them zip around short distances for other clients if they didn't move in a straight line and even then there would be some speedup or two match the actual position. Positional updating was horrendous for flying mounts and flight paths, as well. No idea how it is nowadays. It would also sometimes take over a second for you to dismount automagically indoors, and some debuffs would linger for a lengthy time when you got out of the area, but I can't remember if that was fixed before or after Wrath.

0.1 second checks would be perfectly fine, if positions for taking damage and such would be checked client-side, but alas, that is not the case. Client-side checks could also potentially open doors for hacks, like possibly dodging everything while standing still or the like, but I won't go there more than that for the lack of knowledge.

[Aibo]

0.1 second checks would be perfectly fine, if positions for taking damage and such would be checked client-side, but alas, that is not the case. Client-side checks could also potentially open doors for hacks, like possibly dodging everything while standing still or the like, but I won't go there more than that for the lack of knowledge.

What i was wondering for days, if they don't rely on client positions checks, and it is supposedly all happens on the server (which is the right way to do it, of course), how in the hell all those mining bots are able to just teleport wherever they please?

[nimrod]

What i was wondering for days, if they don't rely on client positions checks, and it is supposedly all happens on the server (which is the right way to do it, of course), how in the hell all those mining bots are able to just teleport wherever they please?

They are not re-checking. The client says im on position X:Y:Z the server takes it for granted and trusts the client.

So u see the bot needs only the coordinates and so he can teleport within a zone. They should atleast track the time it would take u from position X to Y and greater than 15yards so bots would be auto banned. Or they could track the NUMBER gathered /hour like in WoW... simply 10k shards in a day is just no human behaviour anymore or farming 5hours straight w/o a pause in between what ever u like more - but again seems those anti cheat measures are none existent in ARR.

It´s like they haven´t even a QA team

[TyloRime]

Hello,

Based on the way the game was designed, and also taking into account the current level of difficulty, the development team has no plans to change the timing in which non-global cool down actions can be used, and would like players to take this into consideration when forming strategies.

So basically "The Devs know better than you do." How's that workin' out for 1.0?

[Jinko]

So basically "The Devs know better than you do." How's that workin' out for 1.0?

Yup Yoshi is turning in to Tanaka slowly but surely, "It's my way or the highway"

[Synthesis]

I didnt have problem with this.