Ideal Gearing for Titan HM (WHM)

[Sziadan]

Yeah, did some more Titan Hard tonight (Ojoy, I should really find some decent group in /shout) and I've still yet to see any aggro reset where I viciously get maimed.

And honestly, "one" Medica II (in regards of Titan at least) sounds like a questionable statement at best. Do you think that plain Medica spam we do to keep up with Tumults prior to Geocrushes doesn't generate a single bit of enmity? Medica II generates a lot of enmity, yes, but that's not the only cause of enmity generation during the fight. Even before Geocrushes, I'm easily No.2 on the enmity list, possibly shifting down to 3 every now and then if another WHM is in the group.

If the second half of your post was directed towards me, then what I meant was that during the first phase (prior to his first jump), Medica 1 is enough to keep people alive. After the heart phase, you should throw 1 Medica II preferably right before the stomps and then cast Medica 1 during the stops. If you get enmity problems, just use shroud. Using shroud 2 times during the fight should be enough to make sure that you'll never get aggro, depends on the tank as well of course.
Normally, using shroud just once will be enough to keep you safe during the whole fight, later on you'll probably just use it for the MP instead

The difference is I have flat out static numbers. When we did Titan HM I had 2 Succors (big pre-cast, one during) per 1 Medica on the stomps. Thus, aggro gen should be roughly equal. There is no Medica II until the phase change. Every single time, the WHM pulled aggro.

Please show me one other instance where mid battle, ONE Medica II pulls aggro.

This only happens from Phase 1 to Phase 2. The rest of the battle is normal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsWJmXSdZ0

Notice how Medica II was used prior to the jump and everyone had the HoT on them.
Had there been a reset then Titan wouldn't have gone straight for the tank.

I've been running Titan tons of times to get FC members their Relic weapons, I'm 100% certain that there is no reset.
Also, pay attention to what he says during the video in phase 1. They are doing it so that the tank can build up enough hate, so that healers wont have the problem of over-aggroing later on. Strange thing to do during phase 1 if there was a threat reset, wouldn't you say? :P

Also, forgot to address this one.
"Please show me one other instance where mid battle, ONE Medica II pulls aggro."
That have never happened to me, not even in the Titan fight.

[FinagleABagel]

If anything, that lends even more evidence to my argument. I misunderstood your statement. We cast so that Medica II / Succor goes off right after Titan lands, but before anyone else can land a hit. If possible, I pre-cast Succor if I'm close enough to the tank stack to start casting early enough.

If you already had the HoT down, then you casted it before he landed. Whether or not it's before or after shouldn't matter if there is no aggro reset. If it DOES matter (which it seems to), then there is an aggro reset. Otherwise, the tank would have aggro either way.

Regardless, I don't really care what the guy has to say in the video. There are several parts I disagree with, including the thing about how aggro works between Phase 1 and Phase 2.

Ultimately it doesn't matter, because we can pass Titan HM without any trouble - even with 1/2 people down. Heck, I think I might try to solo heal it as a Scholar. The fight isn't tough, there's just one odd issue I see between Phase 1 and Phase 2. It should be pretty easy to test, I'll let you know what I find.

[Sziadan]

This will be my last statement on this issue, as you aren't providing any proof to your claims while I've given you plenty of proof that there is no reset.

I sure hope you're trolling right now as your statement completely contradicts itself right now, but if you're not..Take a look at both these threads.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...k-before-pulls.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ler-cast-regen

Medica II leaves regen on every party member, had there been a reset then the healers would get aggro straight away.
Either way, what I meant earlier was infact casting it after he lands, however I just took the first youtube clip I found to prove my point.
And since everyone had regen on them when titan landed, it did prove my point.

If you want any more responses then at least show some proof of your claim.

[Shyluv]

Are the WHM who have higher than 3.2k out of their DL gear? Or did they spend some of the stat points on HP? With Garuda's Wile, DL shield, strategos ring, and otherwise full DL, I have 3,249 HP with all of my stat points in to mind.

[Raminax]

No, Sziadan, my statement wasn't aimed at you, sorry if I was confusing. I have a pretty bad habit of not quoting people and just assume they know who I'm talking to.

[FinagleABagel]

Medica II leaves regen on every party member, had there been a reset then the healers would get aggro straight away.

If you want any more responses then at least show some proof of your claim.

I'm well aware of how Medica II works, you can drop that snarky BS tone you seem to so enjoy. The difference would be the initial spike heal as opposed to the significantly less healing throughput gained through a single tick, which Succor obviously exceeds.

It could also be as simple as player lag. I've got a lot of confidence in my PLD, the guy doesn't lose aggro very often all.

I frankly don't need you responding. You've proven very little. I'll actually test this a bit later this week to see if I can pull aggro by solo healing and using the Eos dot right after the jump. If she pulls aggro there's definitely a reset.

[Exphryl]

Are the WHM who have higher than 3.2k out of their DL gear? Or did they spend some of the stat points on HP? With Garuda's Wile, DL shield, strategos ring, and otherwise full DL, I have 3,249 HP with all of my stat points in to mind.

I run 15 Vit/ 15 Mind.

Puts me close to 3.5k In party. Half AK and Half DL Gear.

Also, I just downed him tonight finally! We put together a random group at Rev and took a few attempts to get it but it was solid. Such a fun hectic fight, I love stuff like that.

[Aibo]

Please actually read my post before pretending to respond to it.

And you should read my post before disregarding it. Show me at least one boss prior to Titan, where constant/regular (not just on some phase transitions like Garuda/Ifrit) AoE healing is unavoidable for ALL party mebers.

If your WHM pulls agro after the first jump, they either don't use Shroud, overheal, and/or tank doesn't build enough enmity. It's simple as that.
I never get aggro if i only use Medica 1 before the first jump. Then Shroud and i'm usually fine with whatever later on, given that i use Shroud by cooldown.
Yes, even with Divine Seal > Medica > Regen on tank, right after Titan lands. If the aggro was reset, he would go for me.

[Aedra]

There was never once Tank could hold aggro from WHM in Titan HM unless Shroud of Saint is used, and Titan hate list never reset.
Normally, WHM will overaggro in around 1st bomb phase +/-.

Oh, and yes, we can't only use Medica 1 to keep overheal to minimum (which make them not full HP) unless you are sure that your party will avoid 100% of boss attack and end up in instant death. In static, I'd rather use medica 1 though since we are 100% sure.

Truth to be told, I've only see one ignorant person in this thread so far and I encourage you to play WHM 50 before post furthermore.

Back to the main topic, Shyluv, 3.2K hp is obtainable via DL gear + ilv60 piece (Though, I'm not sure how many DL since i went VIT30). Some ppl will swap out MND ring for Amber Ring instead, but I still recommend spent VIT and use MND ring. (You'll get useless parry stat with Amber Ring)

Side note: @Sziadan, I remembered you asking about my healing as VIT 30 way back in other thread. I've to admit that I forgot to post result after getting relic for same Magic Dmg weapon. I'll post this later in another thread then.

[Argentil]

I'm well aware of how Medica II works, you can drop that snarky BS tone you seem to so enjoy.

I just wanted to say, you're very wrong here. Medica II has MUCH more enmity generation than Succor spam. The shield generated by succor doesn't grant threat like the after-effect HoT Medica II does. Regen effects in this game are insane enmity generators. It's quite bizarre really. I party regularly with a SCH friend, and he spams Succor quite a lot while enjoying less enmity generation. Medica II is a healing bomb, I use it cautiously, maybe once every 2-3 minutes if I can, with shroud of saints. Play a WHM for any length of time, and you will quickly learn how dangerous Medica II can be. SCH are really lucky that their shields generate no enmity.