perhaps we aren't using warrior properly?

[mythicrose]

Read some of the threads in the Tanking Forums. It's not that Warriors are weak or incapable of end game content that is the issue. The issue is that they require more constant, undivided attention from the healers in comparison to the paladin tanks because of the overall lack of mitigation. It takes more mana intensive for a healer to keep a Warrior tank up than a Paladin. Read those threads. Why would a group want to bring a tank that takes more damage and requires more healing over a tank that doesn't?

[Sidious]

Warrior seems to be more influenced by gear than a Paladin. The really geared WARs that I've seen are monsters in a fight. Fights/healing can be tuned so that it's okay that a WAR doesn't have 20% DR.

[oneshot]

I just think people see how easy it is 2 tank as a PLD and as a WAR it takes more then face smashing your keybored in order to be good at it( but thats just what i've came to from reading post)

[Seig345]

I only have experience with Mrd and Gld in the first 3 dungeons, but near as I could tell, the biggest difference was that while I could borrow Flash on Mrd, Mrd definitely doesn't have the mp to spam Flash like I used to on Gld. More often than not I use it as an opener but I'm finding it more prudent to hit the group with that cone shaped aoe and then hitting each one in turn with Skull Splitter (in the skill chain, of course). I obviously have a long way to go, but right from the start I learned that Marauder plays quite a bit differently from Gladiator. If it didn't, why even have Marauder?

[Gilthas]

Read some of the threads in the Tanking Forums. It's not that Warriors are weak or incapable of end game content that is the issue. The issue is that they require more constant, undivided attention from the healers in comparison to the paladin tanks because of the overall lack of mitigation. It takes more mana intensive for a healer to keep a Warrior tank up than a Paladin. Read those threads. Why would a group want to bring a tank that takes more damage and requires more healing over a tank that doesn't?

I'm very far from endgame to care about these issues, but if Warriors do more damage than Paladins, that's reason enough to bring one along.

[Artamie]

By additional I really think they were trying to make a point in the scholar quest line. Why would you emphasize the importance of the synergy between scholar and warrior so much if there wasn't something in it? From what I've seen so far the job/class quests do try to point you in the right direction in how you play a certain class/job so I doubt the scholar quest line is an exception.

[astrobear]

By additional I really think they were trying to make a point in the scholar quest line. Why would you emphasize the importance of the synergy between scholar and warrior so much if there wasn't something in it? From what I've seen so far the job/class quests do try to point you in the right direction in how you play a certain class/job so I doubt the scholar quest line is an exception.

Actually this is a good point.....perhaps scholars healers (which btw are the least used healer in the game for some reason) are simply more suited for war tanks
. After all most endgame combo is see is pld and whm. So maybe the issue has more to do with the type of healer that is group with the war tank?

[Ryker77]

I disagree on the healing issue. I find that the Warrior over the paladin gives me much more time to react to incoming damage and get a heal off. I believe people perceive the paladin as easier to heal as they have a smaller HP pool and thus their heals appear to be healing for more. I have healed both a warrior and a paladin on HM titan and Coil and if I had to choose I would say the warrior was the easier of the two to keep alive. My main issues for the two tanks is not their ability to survive and hold agro but on their utility. The paladin currently shines the most due to his ability to interrupt abilities when needed, all by himself, while the warrior requires a bard, monk, dragoon, smn to assist in interrupting the spells while his ability is on cooldown. IF the warrior stun would have its cooldown removed and brought on line with the paladin stun I think we would see a lot less of the war is not as good threads.

[reality_check]

I haven't done any binding coil; however, I have done everything up to that including beating Titan HM.

I have a Scholar and a White Mage both of whom I use regularly for healing. I do purely maintank healing on my scholar and I have to say I MUCH MUCH prefer to heal a warrior than to heal a paladin on my scholar.

This Warrior complaining really boggles my mind to be honest. I think it's from all these theorycrafters who don't really know what they're talking about.

I lustrate three times every 45ish seconds on my Scholar. The sheer difference in HP from the warrior compared to paladin makes healing that much easier when your best main tank heal is based on the tanks max health %.

[Ryker77]

On the topic with Storm’s end heal. I concur that this skill needs a little tweaking. It would be nice if the attack did either a flat % of your total HP (such as 5%) healing or would ignore the -25% damage reduction from Defiance. Personally I would prefer to see it heal for a % of total HP in order to see it scale better with gear.