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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Wow, really? You mean that the ~0.176 rating for SS versus the ~0.270 rating for CRT means that SS is weaker point-for-point compared to CRT around DL gear base levels?

    That's amazing~!
    it means even giving it a .0001 rating still gives it more value then it should. it throws your spreadsheet off... you are simply throwing bad information around pretending you are good. Your "BiS" list is incorrect. You are one of the reason so many bad bards are out there you give out stupidly bad info then pretend you are smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellegri View Post
    Hence it is worthless with current itemization on bard gear because the only time SS takes the place of acc is on a single piece of gear, which you will not see a meaningful difference on.
    Is the Garuda or Titan bow better?

    (assuming they have the same WD as xivdb indicates, which is somewhat odd to me)

    Is the Allagan chest or myth chest better assuming you stay ACC capped? Boots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eckoh View Post
    it means even giving it a .0001 rating still gives it more value then it should. it throws your spreadsheet off... you are simply throwing bad information around pretending you are good. Your "BiS" list is incorrect. You are one of the reason so many bad bards are out there you give out stupidly bad info then pretend you are smart.
    Lol. Sounds like hardcore jealousy to me.
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    Last edited by EasymodeX; 09-26-2013 at 03:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Is the Garuda or Titan bow better?

    (assuming they have the same WD as xivdb indicates, which is somewhat odd to me)

    Is the Allagan chest or myth chest better assuming you stay ACC capped? Boots?



    Lol. Sounds like hardcore jealousy to me.
    Titan bow is stated better by far while having a better auto attck speed to make barrage a better DPS cooldown. Myth Chest is always better even is ACC capped, and the myth boots are crap no matter what.

    If you were a smart as you want everyone to think you are you should know the answers to these very very simple questions. The Allagan chest is so bad its not even a DPS upgrade over the crafted gryphon chest. Getting ACC capped on a bard is a joke.

    The real terrible thing is you are not even a bard and you are trying to sound like an authority on bards... hell you have never been in coil you have no relics you have no experiance in anything you talk about yet you are screwing of people who are actually trying to learn about their class.
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    Last edited by Eckoh; 09-26-2013 at 03:44 AM.

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    Why are you trying to keep other Bards down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Why are you trying to keep other Bards down?
    We're trying to keep you down on your bad information because you aren't even a bard. There is literally a single piece of ilvl 90 gear that gives SS over acc and what little SS it does give is so minuscule it will not give any kind of meaningful dps increase, .01secs off the gcd is not an upgrade, player error and any amount of server lag will make it so 99% of the time you will never see any benefit to said "increase".
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    So what you're saying is that if you had one piece of gear with +1 Dex, and another with +1000 Skill Speed, you'd use the Dex gear right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    So what you're saying is that if you had one piece of gear with +1 Dex, and another with +1000 Skill Speed, you'd use the Dex gear right?
    There's a large difference between 10 SS and 1000, trying to compare the 2 is just trolling at this point. And to the post below you are trying to say that a player will always(or on average) hit the ability right after it comes off cd, what you're trying to say is that high end players are nothing more than robots and can hit abilities on the exact dot it comes up. Human error prevents us from being able to do so and as such you'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from .01secs off, and if you're trying to say just use a macro then you're already at a disadvantage because that is already a proven dps loss over hitting them yourself.

    Now if what you're trying to say is if a bard were to use all SS pieces then it would be meaningful then show me all those lvl 90 pieces with SS on them where you don't lose better stats. Or you could be suggesting use full toxotes and Dl, which is already much lower than ilvl 90 gear.
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    Last edited by Pellegri; 09-26-2013 at 04:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellegri View Post
    There's a large difference between 10 SS and 1000, trying to compare the 2 is just trolling at this point.
    No, it was the beginning of asking at what point the SS is "worthy" of weighting. Because if not 1000, then 200. If not 200, then 100. If 100 SS is still a "large, troll-worthy" difference compared to 1 dex or 10 crit, then at what point is the difference not "exaggerated"?

    And to the post below you are trying to say that a player will always(or on average) hit the ability right after it comes off cd, what you're trying to say is that high end players are nothing more than robots and can hit abilities on the exact dot it comes up.
    Ummm ................................

    I'm not going to base any objective analysis on bad players.

    as such you'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from .01secs off,
    You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.

    But apparently 10 crit is a huge, huge deal!

    if you're trying to say just use a macro
    And you suggest that I'm trolling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    No, it was the beginning of asking at what point the SS is "worthy" of weighting. Because if not 1000, then 200. If not 200, then 100. If 100 SS is still a "large, troll-worthy" difference compared to 1 dex or 10 crit, then at what point is the difference not "exaggerated"?



    Ummm ................................

    I'm not going to base any objective analysis on bad players.



    You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.

    But apparently 10 crit is a huge, huge deal!



    And you suggest that I'm trolling?
    you have no idea what you are talking about and pretending you are an "expert."

    Skill speed is simply bad for a bard you want as little of it as possbile you do not want it weighted at all. You take it only if there is no better option. IN BiS a bard should have less then 65 skill speed simply because that is the smallest you can get with the best gear in game. Its stat weight is 0 you will never have enough on any piece of gear to make it better then any other option with less skill speed on it.

    Crit matter for bards because it is by far the strongest stat for them because of the river of blood trait. Bards have double to triple the crit of every other class because of how the mechanics of the class are. So yes crit is a huge deal..

    Here is an example of the crit a top geared bard can do on titan while still being goaled 3 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.
    the 10 crit that equals 0.693%, what do you base that on? Anything that confirms it? Just out of curiosity since that would help a lot to know
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