When you look at it like this how is Warrior a worse tank?

[Wangstrong]

No. Try again.

[Terabyt3]

Wall of text crits for 5,000!

Seriously this is pretty well laid down though Curly! PLD do recieve a more effective healing somewhere around 23% to PLD's 25% (rough numbers plucked from tops of heads.

But then you've also got to take into account WAR's self heals ontop of this.

I can't remember for sure but I'm under the believe Storms Path used to give a 12 sec buff that gave all dmg done 50% hp. Like a mini bloodbath you could keep active with the correct rotation. That would be helpful if it returned and certainly make storms path useful again!

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Yeah I'm talking about crits to be fair. i'm using Garuda weap and max inner beast was arounf the 3.7k mark while second wind has topped out at 1.4k before.

With internal release and 5 wrath it's a 40% crit rate?! (I'm away from game "at work" right now and this is off the top of my head.).







P.S. this thread WAS civil until the inevitable trolls turned up. Shooooo! You are not wanted here

[Blazn]

While warriors do need a slight buff to be even with the paladins were not to far off (I have done everything but coil) the biggest issue plaguing warriors is theiincompetent people playing them. Warriors take much more skill to perform well, I have had several groups have me main tank instead of the paladin due to higher dps on boss, much greater aggro holding and for the fact that a solo healer can stoneskin and Regen me then do a raise and some damage return to me and I'm still at 90%. Now consider the paladins they would be around 70%. Granted this takes more skill and coordination with your healers.

[Wangstrong]

There are three groups on this forum: paladins who don't want competition for the main tank role, people who don't care but think they sound super pro when they go "well my warrior is awesome, you're just not as good as me, learn 2 play newb" and then people who know better and have provided actual data, arguments and test results that universally prove the same thing.

Guess where you fit in.

[CurlyBruce]

I can't remember for sure but I'm under the believe Storms Path used to give a 12 sec buff that gave all dmg done 50% hp. Like a mini bloodbath you could keep active with the correct rotation. That would be helpful if it returned and certainly make storms path useful again!

Was this in 1.0? I admit my knowledge on WAR in 1.0 is pretty much nonexistent but from 2.0 on Storm's Eye debuff just granted a 50% healing negation on the enemy. Admittedly I find it curious that I haven't found any enemies that cure themselves in this manner so kinda seems like a waste now but designing content that has enemies heal themselves and would need the 50% healing debuff from either WAR or Arcanist would be pretty cool. Granted there are enemies who have innate Regen but I'm pretty sure the debuff only applies specifically to Curative magic cast on them, similar to Wrath.

[Ragz]

Guess where you fit in.

You mean people who are stuck and who are not? I did not have bravura from 1.0, and I got all my gear in 2.0 content, even though I missed most of the early weeks. What's your excuse for not being able to progress when plenty others have no problem with it? Maybe if instead of crying for SE handout and actually try to get better, you won't have this problem.

[PiedPiper]

Warrior's biggest problem is the global cool down. No matter what a warrior does, a healer can only cast on them once per global cool down. As as been laid out earlier in the thread, warriors will always require more healing casts than a paladin to endure the same attacks. Without the implimentation of some mechanic to level this out, warrior will continue to suffer. Maybe reduce the cool down on self healing (though this could end up rather op) or add a dps-loss combo that grants a substantial healing received bonus (creating a trade off between threat and mitigation). This has the added benefit of creating an interesting play between warrior and healer threat (as this will increase the amount of healing per gcd done, thereby increasing threat incured, thereby putting more pressure on the warrior).

To address the OP assertion about 3k vs 4.5k. So, its actually far worse than that. You see, during mountain buster, you will usually take a white hit, a cleave attack, mountain buster, another white hit and then stomps all in the space of 2-3 gcds. This all adds up to be taking quite a lot more damage than the paladin (far more than your hp bonus). If pld is being conservative, they can have a % reduction CD for every single mountain buster -> stomp combo (not for the buster -> sands, but that one is far less dangerous). This only further compounds the difference between warrior and pld.

[Lemon8or]

Was this in 1.0? I admit my knowledge on WAR in 1.0 is pretty much nonexistent but from 2.0 on Storm's Eye debuff just granted a 50% healing negation on the enemy. Admittedly I find it curious that I haven't found any enemies that cure themselves in this manner so kinda seems like a waste now but designing content that has enemies heal themselves and would need the 50% healing debuff from either WAR or Arcanist would be pretty cool. Granted there are enemies who have innate Regen but I'm pretty sure the debuff only applies specifically to Curative magic cast on them, similar to Wrath.

I'm only up to Garuda HM but anyone found out that Storm's Eye healing debuff affects the add's healing to Garuda? Not like it matters since I usually get groups that burns Garuda and adds so fast they skip phases but would be interesting to know.

[Amyas]

haha another crap type like hiir/amyas, thinking the healer love to heal him compared to healing paladin

Really?

Rather be good at what I do and defend my job then be bad at it and mewl about the class being 'broken'.

[oceanlord]

Healer don't really love but they can do it without issue. DPS do love me though as they can go all out without ever worry about getting hate.

oh i understand now, your FC paladin isn't good enough to hold enmity... i feel sorry

its will be because ppl like you we will never become a main tank in the next end game content

Really?

Rather be good at what I do and defend my job then be bad at it and mewl about the class being 'broken'.

sup having fun in Wanderer Palace?

Actually just did a run the day before yesterday, had two people new to the dungeon and one shot everything. It was fun, actually.
Starting to wonder how many self-hating wars on here actually play this game to have 'fun'.

HAHAHAHAHA he brag one shotting Wanderer Palace with 2 new people (might be a lie anyway) maybe i should ignore you from now on
i feel sorry tho, you must have a lot of experience failing on a dungeon