When you look at it like this how is Warrior a worse tank?

[Terabyt3]

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Yeah you got a poitn there actually. the crit is important. I was thinking of IR being active.

The difference between the two is that one is a preemptive tank while the other is a reactive tank.

Muchly agree! From TGS Yoshi did say that WAR requires more active input to play (popping more cooldowns etc.) but could be more effective than a pld in many case during testing. At the minute i think a lot of comparisons are 1 dimentional and just the difference between pre emptive and reactive almost makes them uncomparable.

This is bordering on a civilized discussion! Someone quick! Flame us all!

[Ragz]

One thing though is that WHM should spam Stoneskin on WAR rather than try to cure them. Stoneskin is 1500 hp. I've done Garuda where my HP was never once dipped under 7000 except during Astral Flow.

[Kyzr]

Not to be mean, but I feel like everything you said can only be the opinion of someone that's not tanked Titan as a WAR (which I may be wrong).

3-3.5k Inner Beasts? With the Ifrit weapon, I'm seeing like 2.2k only when I crit with Berserk up. Internal Release isn't a guaranteed crit, and shouldn't be a required DEFENSIVE CD. Getting 3-3.5k sounds like it requires the Bravura to get... which is the problem in the first place, these WARs aren't killing Titan without being carried as dead weight by a PLD.

1.3k Second Wind? Again, this is assuming Berserk is off CD, and you crit.

Your whole suggestion boils down to, "WAR can tank, and might even be better, when RNG allows." And you don't think this is a problem? Yeah, WAR is the worse tank by a massive margin.

[Kyzr]

One thing though is that WHM should spam Stoneskin on WAR rather than try to cure them. Stoneskin is 1500 hp. I've done Garuda where my HP was never once dipped under 7000 except during Astral Flow.

What WAR has 8300hp without their Bravura already?

These people in this thread act as if WAR comes standard with a Doc Brown's Delorian, and they get to magically come back from the future with their Bravura, so they can earn their Bravura.

[itstoasted]

What WAR has 8300hp without their Bravura already?

These people in this thread act as if WAR comes standard with a Doc Brown's Delorian, and they get to magically come back from the future with their Bravura, so they can earn their Bravura.

GREAT SCOTT, this must be the secret to showing off.... I am sure there is nothing more impressive than acomplishinh successfull time travel!

[RitzNBitz]

By technicality stone skin would have a higher benefit on a warrior than a paladin. I think every class can be complimented and made stronger x3

[CurlyBruce]

Stoneskin has the same effectiveness on PLD and WAR. For example a WAR has 25% more HP than a PLD but a PLD takes 20% less damage. 20% less damage is equivalent to 25% more effective HP (ex: 4k HP on PLD would be 5k on WAR and a mob hits for 1k each hit, WAR goes down in 5 hits 1k*5=5k and PLD goes down in 5 hits 1k*.8*5=4k) So while a WAR would have a higher potency stoneskin, the PLD would lose their stoneskin effect slower so the argument that Stoneskin is somehow magically better because WAR has more HP is a fallacy.

This is also why the 15% healing boost on WAR is actually weaker than the innate healing boost that %DR mitigation gives. Going back to effective HP, the higher you make your effective HP while keeping your real max HP low, the greater the value you give to Cures because they are not subject to the reduction from damage. So in the earlier scenario where PLD had 4k and WAR had 5k, a healer cures for 1k. A WAR with Wrath 5 will receive 1000*1.15=1150 HP while a PLD still gets only 1k, but when you look at %HP healed a PLD is getting 25% of their real HP and WAR is only getting 23%. This is because if you convert the PLDs HP after curing back into effective HP, it's like he had a 25% healing boost all along. PLD with 4k HP and is sitting at 3k gets cured for 1k bringing him back up to full. Converting for effective HP the PLD has 5k HP and gets filled from 3750 to 5k, making the cure actually have a potency of 1250 ie. 25% boost.

[Wangstrong]

Stoneskin is less effective on a warrior since it isn't affected by the healing bonus from Wrath. I don't know why people keep suggesting that the spell is best on a warrior when it's not only incorrect but in fact the opposite of the truth -- Stoneskin is better on a paladin than on a warrior, even if the paladin isn't using a defensive cooldown during the shield, but even moreso if they do. Under the right circumstances, Stoneskin is more than twice as effective on a paladin as it is on a warrior.

[Ragz]

What WAR has 8300hp without their Bravura already?

These people in this thread act as if WAR comes standard with a Doc Brown's Delorian, and they get to magically come back from the future with their Bravura, so they can earn their Bravura.

You realize you can get AF2 without done Titan right? Also you don't need anywhere NEAR 8300 hp for Titan. I did it with somewhere 7500-7700 using food, with only AF2 / belt i90 and without Bravura.

Stoneskin is less effective on a warrior since it isn't affected by the healing bonus from Wrath. I don't know why people keep suggesting that the spell is best on a warrior when it's not only incorrect but in fact the opposite of the truth -- Stoneskin is better on a paladin than on a warrior, even if the paladin isn't using a defensive cooldown during the shield, but even moreso if they do. Under the right circumstances, Stoneskin is more than twice as effective on a paladin as it is on a warrior.

It's not that SS is better on WAR than on PLD. It's that SS is better than Cure on WAR compare to SS / Cure on PLD.

[Wangstrong]

You really are grasping at the furthest possible straws.