Originally Posted by
Kyomih
Don't forget Fairy Illumination which buffs healing up by 20% on top of all this.
However, I don't agree that WHM needs a tune up compared to SCH. Both jobs are (apart from a few spells that need some proper look synergy wise) great at what they do.
For everyone here saying Scholar is inferior to WHM: Sorry but you play the wrong job then. It's simply another way of healing and not as straight forward a healer as the White Mage is.
Or like I just posted in the WHM vs SCH thread:
Both are very capable healers and both are great at what they do but it depends on the fight and situation the skills are compared in:
No one has said otherwise, trying to have a big gaping hole patched up doesn't mean we think we are useless. Stop putting words in our mouths.
Steady, normal Healing: Both.
Both jobs have no issues keeping a tank alive. WHM has to be a bit more careful with GDC and spell cast times while the SCH gets the fairy backup. Regen helps but reaction time of the fairy is instant compared to lag issues a WHM might have to deal with.
Reaction time of Fairy is most definitely NOT instant. Regen craps all over the fairy in this regard. Also, liking the whm may have lag issue bit, cause you know sch never do right?
Tank and spank: SCH.
WHM is capable, but SCH will put out more HPS with a macro'd fairy. Scholars with a macro'd fairy seem to be better at single target healing using basic spells by about 15% without factoring in CDs; however, I'm inclined to believe that they would still come out ahead their own CDs. This drops down to a 10% bonus during high throughput times, but again - without CDs and highly dependent on fight mechanics.
Fairy cannot be macro'd. Most you can do is to drag the skills down to your hotbar. So to achieve your higher single target throughput, it involves two button presses each time, vs a whm slapping a regen on target and healing like normal. Not to mention that if a group member takes a bit of dmg, a regen on them and back to the tank > fairy+you healing the dps and taking focus off of tank. So whm aren't worse here at all. Oh lets not forget procs help too
High Movement: slight advantage for SCH.
The fairy is automated. Regen is fantastic and roughly equivalent to the best single target cure bomb, instant cast, and costs less mana. The problem is that you have to be very aware of what's going on. You need to move, target, and cast at all the same time. Scholar on the other hand can move and let their fairy do the work.
Again, that fairy cannot be trusted to auto cast heal as it will sometimes stand around daydreaming. You have to cast for it to get the most out of it meaning your attention is just as split as a whm.
Predictable Damage: SCH, but just barely.
Both classes can prep for incoming damage. WHM has stoneskin but Stoneskin is available to SCHs, too even though without the passive boost. The SCH shield costs less and is attached to normal healing spells. So a single SCH can pre-stoneskin before the pull or before a planned hit and throw their own shield up for a higher amount of mitigated damage.
What? Wait, what? Lol.. Lets use pretend that is is a true scenario shall we, considering your post it should be easy. Lets say 3k health, whm ss will shield 540 health, a sch ss is 300+ say 300 from noncrit succor shield and you get 600 points of shielding. How again is sch preshielding better than whm? Only times it is better is if Succor crits OR that succor is faster to cast than ss. That is it, but if you have the time to keep dps shielded, you are not far off of sch shields.
Super Long Fights: The SCH has this one hands-down.
They have several mana efficient heals, 3 free heals for 20% HP each every minute, the fairy provides free heals, their procs are frequent, and Aetherflow accounts for ~1.6% of their total mana every 5 seconds (20% every minute). They also have more free heals, or energy drain for more mana returns. This is a huge benefit. Compare this to a WHM's refresh which gives ~.915% every 5 seconds (~33% every 3 minutes).
Bard. I'll concede that we have longevity, but all you need is a bard and probable the only advantage we had goes out the window.
Burst Healing: WHMs outclasses by far
If you have someone dipping low as part of a fight mechanic, movement, or just general slip-up then you're going to want a WHM in your party. They have the highest HPS, and it's much easier to control the healing when they can turret.
Burst AOE damage - selected area: WHM.
No question - more bursty (but very MP intense) tools in the WHMs box.
Burst AOE damage - entire party/raid: WHM.
Better range on WHMs Medica II - Cure 3 is very situational
Continuous lower AOE damage - stacked: SCH.
Sacred soil for an immediate 10% bonus, and the fairy's aoe healing for tight groups make SCH the premier stacked healer. If Regen is not enough a WHM is forced to use high MP AoE spells that will lead to fast depletion of MP AND an insane amount of thread.
Sacred Soil is ok to negligible a lot of the time. The fairies hot is nice in this specific scenario but then you had to go and say if regen isn't enough.. If regen wasn't enough, neither is sacred soil+fairy hot. Which is it?
Continuous AOE damage - staggered: WHM.
This was too close to call. Both have AOE abilities. The SCH has more mana, and more instants to handle multiple scenarios. The fairy can also help by smart healing the raid.
Rollercoaster fights (intense healing, no/low healing, repeat) WHM.
The WHM is just better suited to respond to intense healing requirements. The scholar is still usable, but they'll burn more mana and GCDs doing it - especially when it comes to AOE.
Low healing required - DPS race: SCH, hands down.
The WHM has more burst damage, but the spells are too mana intensive. SCH can dot up, throw up cleric stance to have the dots do more damage, and then take it back down when it's time to heal. They can also swap to the utility fairy which will boost the skill/spell speed of actual DPS classes.
Selene is garbage and not worth the mana to bring her out. I'll concede that we have better ability to deal dmg cause of dots ticking while we are healing, but that's it. Selene is a joke. That fairy is not giving you lust. It is giving you 30% of you spell/skill speed stats and adding it back into those same stats.. For me that is .16% And they don't stack so even less reason to waste the mana on Selene.
Emergency - someone screwed up - save the day spells: WHM, without a doubt
With an instant full 100% heal, 30% + healing CD, and they come with the possibility of an instant cure 2 (~40% health) or cure 3. A SCH isn't bad in their own right. They have their own version of holy shock (20% health, 3x a minute), but that's it. And it comes at the cost of other abilities such as energy drain or sacred soil.
Passive utility: Both.
WHM is better for high end content where you don't want to give up healing for protective utility. SCH is better for content where healing is less important, but you'll want to down the boss more quickly. You'll still want both in your group. Whitemage for the protect magic resistance buff (it's just physical when going cross class), and SCH for the heroism/bloodlust fairy, even though Fairy Illumination grants magic resistance, too.
We do not have Blood Lust. I'll repeat what I said above incase it gets missed. What Selene actually does is adds 30% of your spell/skill speed stat (the stated stat on your character sheet) and just adds that amount into your spell/skill speed stat. That is it. For me it is a lil over .1% Infact I'm not sure you can say we have any passive utility. Eos's magic resist buff, situational it may be, beats all of Selenes "buffs" and this isn't even a joke.
Farmed fights: SCH.
SCH can put out more damage, provide more utility when incoming damage is less of a concern, and makes for a better hybrid.
Fights with enmity wipes: WHM.
The fairy can pull hate too quickly sometimes. It's not a big issue, but WHMs get Shroud of Saints. Doesn't really matter that much, though.
There is always room to fight over this or that but the differences are most of the time neglectable.
Also, lets not forget the great buffs the SCH fairies bring to the mix on top of no lag issue, no mp, constant healing. Of course the lag comes into play if you manually use the fairies.
See above x2 as to why we offer no buffs/utility.
Not every class needs to be equally good at the same things...and in the end it comes down to the party you are in and your playstyle.
A last note:
Scholars are proactive healers while White Mages are Reactive healers.
If you cast your Succor and Adloquium when a big hit already happened and not before that you are one step behind as Scholar. White Mage can react to damage while Scholar can prevent it. Playing a Scholar you are all about preventing damage and lower incoming damage by stacking all the tools you have, as a White Mage you are all about fixing the damage that has been done.
Also with the discussion about the General AoE heals from WHM vs SCH:
Yes we are discussing healing but the fact that EoS and Selene add not only quite powerful buffs but also do healing without any MP costs needs to be taken into consideration as well before people scream for the same heal potency on heals for both jobs.
People need to delete Selene from their minds, that thing is utter garbage. People are basing whole ideas on the fact that we have selene and her utilities when the truth is you are bad for having her out at all, ever. Magic resist/healing potency > Selene
I find SCH much harder to play than WHM, that's for sure and SCH need a better, more convenient way to control their fairies to make it less painful.
In the end the fairies are additional skill bars which don't cost any MP
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