OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[gigi_frana]

There are a lot of fight were Scholar need to spam it to keep the party from dying

Ermm... No, not really. There is Titan and only a few cases where you have to "spam". And by spam I guess you mean use the heal Twice?
Hard indeed.
Maybe remember you have a pet also, use his cooldowns smartly, if you can. If not, learn the fight, and copy better Scholars. If you can.

So many drama queens here.

[fanservice]

Ermm... No, not really. There is Titan and only a few cases where you have to "spam". And by spam I guess you mean use the heal Twice?

You don't want to cast it more than twice because it's a waste of MP to do more than that. You're wasting half of the spell each cast after.

What you're left with is a bunch of people still at halfish HP, and an AOE heal you don't want to use.

Do you see the problem? Your titan example is a perfect display of the issue. Thanks.



We don't have this problem with single target heals because of physick. Thankfully we're not stuck with nothing but casting adloquium when one person needs healing, but still has the shield, and we shouldn't be stuck with nothing but succor when multiple people need the healing while they have the shield.

Here is an even simpler version.

Succor is fine.

Shield mechanics are fine.

Succor with current shield mechanics with no alternative is not fine.

Adloquium with current shield mechanics with physick is fine.

[Cariborne]

Isn't there a video of people beating Turn 4 with 2 Scholars, and a Warrior? So shouldn't that mean that they're not as bad as everyone is saying?

[Marcusow86]

Ermm... No, not really. There is Titan and only a few cases where you have to "spam". And by spam I guess you mean use the heal Twice?
Hard indeed.
Maybe remember you have a pet also, use his cooldowns smartly, if you can. If not, learn the fight, and copy better Scholars. If you can.

So many drama queens here.

1. Titan and only few cases = not really? as more and more end game content being introduced, i can foretell how AOE heal spam would be much worse.

2. Yes, i have a pet that cannot cast heal by herself when we are at max range. Yes, we can place her close to the tank or anyone we need her to heal, that would left her AOE heal out of range for the rest of the group. Boss with 'push' mechanism like those in Castrum, Ifrit would render your fairy out of position every 30 sec or so.

3. Our pet AOE heal does not have an initial heal, it is a HoT kinda heal. In dire situation like everyone is being spammed AOE dmg (eg: titan) how can you ensure your party member sustain AOE dmg?

4. Our Pet's AOE HoT heal does not stack.

Let me ask you a question, do you have a SCH? Do you run any end game content with 2 SCH and 2 SCH only? How do you find it? Answer this before calling anyone a drama queen. Btw, name me THE Better SCH that you mentioned having no issue with 2 SCH in end game content with heavy AOE dmg from boss. Show me how it is done, video proof maybe?

Before attempting to answer my question, please keep in mind why this topic is AOE heal and not single target heal. We do not say our heals are point blank broken, just AOE.

[gigi_frana]

do you have a SCH? Do you run any end game content with 2 SCH and 2 SCH only? How do you find it? Answer this before calling anyone a drama queen. Btw, name me THE Better SCH that you mentioned having no issue with 2 SCH in end game content with heavy AOE dmg from boss.

Yea I am a SCH and I did Titan a few times, once for me, then for friends who needed help. Always had a WHM that was able (smart). The AOE OMG PANIC HEAL THE DPS QUICK cases were never an issue. Never has a DPS died to lack of healing because we were unable to heal. There is no AoE dmg that can kill a decent DPS. There is enough time to heal.
Yea my AoE heal heals for about 310 when it does not crit, and it has a shield. 2x that + the WHM heal were more than enough.

If in the future they will add more challenging content where I will be unable to cope, then Fine, maybe I will agree that SCH needs a buff.

[gigi_frana]

But for now, IMO:
- SCH Should NOT BE Equal to WHM.
- I think SCH is fine and complements the WHM in an 8 group very well.
- Yes the pet "AI" is shit, but the pet AoE heal + healing buff works well if you use Obey and you use it when it`s needed (for Titan when the heart dies for example).
- I do not agree with the evaluations that compare SCH with WHM in terms of healing potency. The class mechanics are different, IMO they should not be equal. I`m not the best at expressing in words what I think so don`t get too offended
- the Thread Title "OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!" shouts "drama queen / spastic" IMO (the situation is not that tragic, the game is new and the heal is not WORTHLESS OMG!!!1 panic).

[Marcusow86]

Snip~ Always had a WHM that was able (smart) ~ Snip

Stop reading there, you just prove my point.

Next!

[gigi_frana]

cool, have fun healing (but I guess you won`t)

[Marcusow86]

But for now, IMO:
- SCH Should NOT BE Equal to WHM.
- I think SCH is fine and complements the WHM in an 8 group very well.
- Yes the pet "AI" is shit, but the pet AoE heal + healing buff works well if you use Obey and you use it when it`s needed (for Titan when the heart dies for example).
- I do not agree with the evaluations that compare SCH with WHM in terms of healing potency. The class mechanics are different, IMO they should not be equal. I`m not the best at expressing in words what I think so don`t get too offended
- the Thread Title "OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!" shouts "drama queen / spastic" IMO (the situation is not that tragic, the game is new and the heal is not WORTHLESS OMG!!!1 panic).

We never ask to be equal with WHM. Read or at least try to. we are asking to NOT be penalized due to being in the same class and were allowed to be placed in the same duty using DF.

This game resolve in 3 main role: Tank, DPS, Healer.

Tank and DPS: If you bring two of the same job (eg: PLD x2, BRD x2) they will not gimp each other.

Healer: Same goes to WHM for the above. BUT why SCH need to suffer the the gimp because we have 2 of the same Job?

[kronpas]

Yea I am a SCH and I did Titan a few times, once for me, then for friends who needed help. Always had a WHM that was able (smart). The AOE OMG PANIC HEAL THE DPS QUICK cases were never an issue. Never has a DPS died to lack of healing because we were unable to heal. There is no AoE dmg that can kill a decent DPS. There is enough time to heal.
Yea my AoE heal heals for about 310 when it does not crit, and it has a shield. 2x that + the WHM heal were more than enough.

If in the future they will add more challenging content where I will be unable to cope, then Fine, maybe I will agree that SCH needs a buff.

Once a party with dual WHMs struggles as they are unable to heal tanks, then its all equal as dual SCHs are currently suffer heavy penalty against heavy AoE. Dual WHM heals better, dual SCH step on each other's toes. You need a WHM to take care of AOE, but a WHM actualy doesnt need a SCH to heal tank. Its a bonus, true, but not a deal-breaker. Thats where SCH fits in: a bonus to make a run smoother, but nowhere near necessary.