OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Anshii]

Your post on SCH being best tank heals has nothing to do with this discussion nvm that whm heal tanks just as well as sch, and they have a superior single target healing kit. There is zero reason for us to have a basic aoe healing option missing from our kit. We don't JUST tank heal, there are other aspects to this game.

Actually, according to what he posted as a SCH in coil, that is what you do.The point he and most people saying, "Succor is fine" are trying to make is about class diversity. If you want to be better at healing an entire group of people then play a WHM which has 2 group heals. If you want to play SCH then you have to learn to control your pet ( which does work but requires more hotkeys and micro skills ) and utilize your various skills and not just Physick, Adloquium, Succor, and "Bad pet AI". If you are having so much trouble with playing a SCH then it might not be the class for you. As it stands, I enjoy playing my SCH and would not like it to be a clone or very closely resembling a WHM. I am already working on my WHM and I find it completely different from SCH healing.

There has been topic after topic of people complaining about SCH needing to be buffed. It doesn't. Succor works for what its purpose is: to top people off and prevent damage. If you are spamming it during any 8 man with another SCH or WHM in the party you are probably the same people that keep your pet on guard without using the sick command on an enemy to stop your pet from casting all of their spells. Then you can tell it to heel so it follows you or placing it in a good location for it to heal people. Doing this once after you summon your pet sticks with that pet until it is dismissed or dies. Pet control is part of the class, same as SMN. You have a bar of 8 different ways to control your pet. They work and I use all of them. Leeches is your debuff removal. Yes you get it at 40. None of the instances, including Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, up to that point need it. Just heal through the 20-40ish damage that the poisons are doing. If you feel that you lack AoE healing power, SCH pet micro is too hard, or do not feel you should have to wait till 40 to get your debuff removal then SCH is not the healing class for you.

By the way, the second paragraph was a general blanket statement to the many threads I see on the Healer Roles forums and may or may-not have been discussed in this particular thread.

[Marcusow86]

If you are spamming it during any 8 man with another SCH or WHM in the party you are probably the same people that keep your pet on guard without using the sick command on an enemy to stop your pet from casting all of their spells.

There are a lot of fight were Scholar need to spam it to keep the party from dying especially with 2 SCH. Namely Garuda HM, Titan HM, etc. And by saying spam, i mean before i know a huge AOE will hit the group, i would pre-cast succor even when the team is in full health condition. Then i would cast again immediately after the team receive the AOE, and then once again, if the AOE Consist of several hits.

I notice, SCH is being gimped if we were group together, 2x SCH, 3x SCH is under diminishing return category to me right now. Most end game fight just got that much harder having 2 SCH. But 2X WHM would seems ok.

Off-topic, to prevent your pet form using all of their spell, it should be 'obey' and not 'sic'. Just saying as you said you used all of the pet command, you should know this already.

[gigi_frana]

There are a lot of fight were Scholar need to spam it to keep the party from dying

Ermm... No, not really. There is Titan and only a few cases where you have to "spam". And by spam I guess you mean use the heal Twice?
Hard indeed.
Maybe remember you have a pet also, use his cooldowns smartly, if you can. If not, learn the fight, and copy better Scholars. If you can.

So many drama queens here.

[fanservice]

Ermm... No, not really. There is Titan and only a few cases where you have to "spam". And by spam I guess you mean use the heal Twice?

You don't want to cast it more than twice because it's a waste of MP to do more than that. You're wasting half of the spell each cast after.

What you're left with is a bunch of people still at halfish HP, and an AOE heal you don't want to use.

Do you see the problem? Your titan example is a perfect display of the issue. Thanks.



We don't have this problem with single target heals because of physick. Thankfully we're not stuck with nothing but casting adloquium when one person needs healing, but still has the shield, and we shouldn't be stuck with nothing but succor when multiple people need the healing while they have the shield.

Here is an even simpler version.

Succor is fine.

Shield mechanics are fine.

Succor with current shield mechanics with no alternative is not fine.

Adloquium with current shield mechanics with physick is fine.

[Lifendeath]

A good scholar is very noticeable all i've read from the whiners are apples to oranges arguments and really the crux of the issue i'm seeing is Scholars want to play like a WHM, but you can't and don't want to accept that fact. As always the Vocal minority are bitching on the forums and scholars enjoying their job are in game getting better.

[Kalagg]

A good scholar is very noticeable all i've read from the whiners are apples to oranges arguments and really the crux of the issue i'm seeing is Scholars want to play like a WHM, but you can't and don't want to accept that fact. As always the Vocal minority are bitching on the forums and scholars enjoying their job are in game getting better.

Totally agreed, the bads will continue to whine while the rest of us chug away with a good FC and work with/around any possible things that creep up. So far those are far and few between.

[Eriane]

Totally agreed, the bads will continue to whine while the rest of us chug away with a good FC and work with/around any possible things that creep up. So far those are far and few between.

I'm honestly just asking. I play a whm. So then what do two good scholars do if they need to raid heal in heavy aoe. Assuming your party only makes the occasional slip up. Do you st heal? can your damage mitigation stack? Or do you both spam succor and sync fairies?

edit: Also i don't mean to be rude, but it looks like you haven't even touched end game content. unless you have another character... I think calling people bads when you haven't had to experience content for yourself is a stretch don't you?

[Ruprect]

Totally agreed, the bads will continue to whine while the rest of us chug away with a good FC and work with/around any possible things that creep up. So far those are far and few between.

Lol since you have been a SCH for what an hour you defenitely know what the issues are. I did not have any issues with SCH till endgame and I really dont have any now other than 2 SCH will not happen in any group, its just a terrible combo. SCH as it would seem is a tank healer and raid support, which is fine with me, that is what I hoped it would be and it ended up that way. I dont really see any whining that it is too hard to tank heal, I think people would just like to be able have the option to take 2 SCH into an 8 man or 24 man when they come out if they do not have enough WHM and an extra SCH.

Succor spamming is a sure sign of a bad scholar. You sacred soil, succor and then you and your faerie single target heal. Its not as hard as the bad scholars keep making it out to be.

And if you are commenting on my gear saying I haven't done endgame content just wow. The WoW mentality of gear makes the player is pathetic. As a good healer you don't need gear to properly heal your groups.

With double scholar the key is communication so you don't overwrite the other guys shield. It also helps if you set targets for who heals what, you both don't focus on the whole 8 man you only have to worry about yourself and 3 other people, making it the same as healing a 4 man dungeon run.

I ran out of posts for today, I hope you find this here. I apologize, when I first looked at your char shot on the left I swear it said Lvl 32 ACN, that is where my comment came from, it had nothing to do with your gear but the fact that it looked like you hit SCH right before you got on the forums. Also you cannot overwrite a shield the new shield just fails. I don't disagree with what you are saying, the only issue I see is that it is still more beneficial to take 2 WHM over 2 SCH. Not that SCH are not useful they are just much less useful as 2 SCH. The point is that Succor does not work together with another SCH. Why would it be bad to have the Succor Shield stack to like 2 or 3, it would essentially work the same way it would just make it = to 2 WHM.

[kronpas]

A good scholar is very noticeable all i've read from the whiners are apples to oranges arguments and really the crux of the issue i'm seeing is Scholars want to play like a WHM, but you can't and don't want to accept that fact. As always the Vocal minority are bitching on the forums and scholars enjoying their job are in game getting better.

No, the crux of the issue is that most WHMs think they know what SCHs actually want and post accordingly. Most likely those ignorant WHMs cant read past the first post of a thread also, lolz.

[Kalagg]

Succor spamming is a sure sign of a bad scholar. You sacred soil, succor and then you and your faerie single target heal. Its not as hard as the bad scholars keep making it out to be.

And if you are commenting on my gear saying I haven't done endgame content just wow. The WoW mentality of gear makes the player is pathetic. As a good healer you don't need gear to properly heal your groups.

With double scholar the key is communication so you don't overwrite the other guys shield. It also helps if you set targets for who heals what, you both don't focus on the whole 8 man you only have to worry about yourself and 3 other people, making it the same as healing a 4 man dungeon run.

I find scholar to be either balanced or OP as it sits now, some of the stuff a good player can do with this class makes you feel bad but you also laugh at the same time.