Quote Originally Posted by MistressAthena View Post
You fail to explain why it isn't better. But taking by what you say below, and the fact you don't explain yourself, I'll mark it down as no real good reason why you think this.
But I do, as the very next sentence of my quote explains how its already better then FF11, which I think some dont know this was the first FF online, launched back in 1812 or something and its extremely old and outdated. Also none of its mechanics having any real relevance. So FF11's system was trumped by FF14, 1.0,'s original system. Bazaar and market wards, vastly superior to auction housing.


This makes absolutely no sense, and is totally illogical. No offense. #1 Those vendor prices are put in there so people have a reason to sell it on the market, if those prices were at the items actual "value" then hardly anyone would sell stuff on the market, and most would just sell it to the NPC for quick gil. You seriously think a lvl 50 Item is worth only 100 gil? You have got to be trolling me. That being said most crafters don't buy mats from the Market. Me included. I get everything I need from gathering and killing the mobs I need too.
After sifting through terribly fail passive aggressive insults of me and my 'illogical point', I find you basically just go on to strengthen said point. Therefor, no offense was taken. I can try to explain it to you, as I would a small child or exceptionally intelligent goldfish, but I feel the lessons may fall on deaf ears and need to be repeated much like this post already will reiterate what I already stated. I'll try once more though, so please pay attention.

That LITERALLY is the ONLY item value, the one at the bottom of the item. But you even decide to make up some makeshift reason why the number would be there... When in fact it is absolutely just the price at which it is sold to a vendor. The very sensible logic you claim to be so full of, dictates not to defer from this irrefutable FACT. If something had a vendor price of 78gil, if I listed it on the market at 77, I would be losing gil. Set it to 85 and im seeking a higher profit for the item. You made the mistake of trying to determine "value", when what you spoke of was 'worth'. Worth is what someone WILL pay for something, not its value.

And yes, I do think a level 50 item is worth 100, if the Value is marked at 100. Especially considering the HQ version would make it all but vendor trash. Alas most items have vendor equivalents, therefor their worth is not based off of their value, but their buy cost. With those, you now have a literal value. To sell to a vendor is 54, to buy from a vendor is 332. The market is clearly inbetween 54-332. Of course there are even exceptions to this, as maybe some may not know of all the items purchased from vendors. So a 54-332 item, may just sell for 500! Welcome to an auction house system, where your worth certainly will not always be someone elses value.

As i also, seemingly, explained... A harvester may have a higher worth in their mind, that does not align with the items value. Ill explain in a second, but first;

Stop! We are going to take a short break, so none of this logic becomes a confusing thought that someone might misconstrue as debatable. Okay, ready? Here we go.. Say you harvest Cobalt, you have it down were you get 10 an hour, but you can make 20k an hour farming some dungeon or item. So you set your mind to assume these cobalt re worth 2k each. This is wrong, as it is not taking into account what the worth is. If I buy them at 20 per, why would I ever be crazy enough to pay 2k??

Again your problem is more complaint then a broken system. You are failing to use it right or over valuing your items. Thats it, thats the bottom line, there is no wiggle room left for personal interpretation. All of which I did explain.

Nice attempt, but again, completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. The whole point of the post is to keep prices stable. Undercutting is going to happen, and no you can't "raise other peoples prices", either that was a completely fail attempt at making your point, or your completely oblivious to whats going on around you. If you put 5 items up for the same price as someone elses, what do they care? If you keep your prices high? great, nobody will buy it. People will keep undercutting you. Have fun watching it not sell. That's how it is. Regardless of what smoke you try to blow.


I'm going to skip the rest of the stuff as its either mindless gibbering or something which doesn't even apply.
To you. Of course it doesnt make any sense to you, because you see red right now. You are upset, confused, and frustrated with a market system in which you are failing to find your rhythm with. That sucks and im sorry, but alas it does not mean it needs to be changed into some weird system that would do worse what you primarily complain of. Someone listing an item at 1000 and getting 5k? Huh.. It will never happen buddy and frankly its truly the only part of this conversation that is "illogical" and without a single penny's worth of sense. Face that courageously, then we can continue a discussion instead of simply a lecture where I educate you on the semantics of the economy system. As I stated (funny how many times ive had to say that, hopefully you take the time to read this one, so as to avoid it in the future) there are other methods then undercutting, which I personally have had great success on. Especially 2 weeks ago, when materia was confusing to many people. I also find markets that not many people list in and I make crazy profit from, almost a shameful amount of profit. "Nobody will buy it!", yes they will. If its a stackable item, I list 2 at the same price (check original post where I expl.. nm) as his 1. Mine sell.

Is this really difficult or so logically profound to you that it blurs into gibberish? I suggest reading it a few times, as the next tips wont be so specific, least im forced to charge you a fee. I truly thought many of these things were common sense, realizing with this thread thats not the case.

And being that I would thrive in ANY economic system, market-auction-wards-RL, I probably will be billing you a fee for my pointers as it took me a good 15 minutes to type this out. Keep a heads up on your PMs for the invoice, youre welcome, good luck, and have fun!