Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Ehayte]

Math and things

I think Satrina was trying to say that they should adjust content so that SOMEHOW a WAR takes an advantage situationally (like in 50% of all situations, haha).

I could be wrong but I think she was just throwing example mechanics, not intending those to be the solution. I think new content + a WAR fix could realistically make that happen.

[Faction]

I think Satrina was trying to say that they should adjust content so that SOMEHOW a WAR takes an advantage situationally (like in 50% of all situations, haha).

I could be wrong but I think she was just throwing example mechanics, not intending those to be the solution. I think new content + a WAR fix could realistically make that happen.

Actually what he's posting, and has been posting, is that current balance is fine and everyone is wrong.

[Conna]

if you have the SCH Fey light on top of that, you can get to the next Wrath V in under twelve seconds.
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Theres no way in hell a scholar worth their salt will ever use feylight considering that means they're giving up whispering dawn and fey illumination which add up to "far" more healing.

[HiirNoivl]

So, using the spreadsheet Tronic provided as well as your character, I can tell you're talking out of your ass. You've got 432 Skill Speed. That gives you a GCD of 2.41, which is *well* away from the 1.25 seconds that you're claiming to have.

Does your ass ever get tired of you never using your mouth to do the speaking?

You forgot Fey Light. :P

And I currently have no SkSp on my body. I was testing other things soz.

Theres no way in hell a scholar worth their salt will ever use feylight considering that means they're giving up whispering dawn and fey illumination which add up to "far" more healing.

O.o Holy Crap...

Oh wait... *phew* I thought you were serious... don't scare me like that please.

Actually what he's posting, and has been posting, is that current balance is fine and everyone is wrong.

And that's exactly what Yoshi P is hinting at.

[SwordCoheir]

Sword Oath adds a *lot*

Sounds like your twisting situations into PLD's favor by comparing a WAR tanking to a PLD DDing, PLD will almost never use Sword Oath over Shield Oath save in rare situations like Demon Wall or on trash mobs much like how WAR's shouldn't rely on Defiance save for a Infuriate/Inner Beast/Thrill of Battle Boost in DD situations and should quickly remove Defiance after. Additionally, WAR also has workarounds to help with Defiances damage penalty such as Maim's +20% damage boost which can be reapplied indefinately and Storms Eye reduced Slashing resistance which I realize will help PLDs as well, but the option helps you none the less.

[Lhun]

I want to ask Yoshi what WAR is supposed to do for Titan HM then. I don't want to be PLD to tank.

Try this:

I have several damage mitigation rotations - that always keeps me healthed up, giving the healer less work. I have tanked every dungeon boss this way, and it works great. I also have excellent gear, because I believe in not being a burden.

First, just before he ultimates, you should be using FORESITE. Maybe get your WHM to stoneskin you just ahead of it - you get a bit of warning - make sure thrill or beast or both are ready just after.

1) When the boss is auto attacking you, you should have bloodbath plus vengeance up (first thing). OR, Foresight, and after it's gone INTO bloodbath plus vengeance.
you are now using the heavy>sunder>block combo to ramp hate. DO NOT USE FLASH OR FEATHERFOOT during this. You need the vengeance hits TO HEAL YOURSELF and build hate.

2) After that cools down, you should use convalescence into second wind when you're down about 500 health or so. Try to use it BEFORE your whm is spamming cure.

3) Then use thrill of battle. (or convalescence thrill)

4) THEN use flash, and also featherfoot if you equip it. (I don't, just flash and provoke)

5) You are now using heavy>maim>storms path. This move heals you as much as cure. This combo should be used often - once the boss is 1/3, your hate is huge already. Don't worry about BB as much at this point. Throw a fracture in as well (Does BB damage). This is important > you should do this combo once every time maim/fracture wears off - and you should be doing heavy>maim>storms path to keep healing yourself during the phases of the fight.

6) Stun the boss when you can to cancel a big move, then, in the 5 seconds you have DO:

7) Berzerk, Inner Beast to heal for like 1000+. Infuriate immediately.

8) vengeance + bath is now back up. Rinse, repeat.

it goes without saying you're doing other things in the middle of this. Flash, provoke, maybe even a tomahawk when they run away to do a move or they do eminity ignoring random target moves. Things like that. Think on your feet.

Unchained + the heavy>Maim>storm>fracture combo is really good if you're doing well and don't need an inner beast.

Keep infuriate up whenever possible. If the boss is unstunnable, use Brutal Swing on the second swing animation of butcher's block when blood + vengance is up. It's off the GCD and you get all four hits, even if the animation doesn't show.

Use Mercy Stroke on adds by tabbing to them just before they die, hitting it, and tabbing back - MASSIVE health bonus there: and it works on stupid stuff like objects you have to kill (rocks, crystals, etc). Storm's Eye should be used ONCE before fracture when you have it. it's not nearly as useful as storm's path for single target tanking - because you get no bonus health from it - it's essentially a DOT like fracture. Do it once every fracture.

For an all around situation, I would choose Mantra over Awareness for your fifth ability. Be flexible with whatever you're fighting. Those two go back and fourth for me - if the mob seems to have high dex, I'll use Awareness to avoid getting crit-ultimated. - notice I don't use featherfoot or savage blade. You don't need additional hate tools except provoke (maybe!), and you don't need to dodge more, you already have tons of way to avoid hits - and in some cases you WANT them to try to hit you.

Remember that WAR tanks melee mobs or enemy party group bosses better then PLD. PLD tanks caster type mobs better then WAR. War AND Pld can do BOTH however, you just have to adjust your playstyle -> remember that war stun works on more things then PLD stun does, and it's off GCD.

[Conna]

You forgot Fey Light. :P

And I currently have no SkSp on my body. I was testing other things soz.




O.o Holy Crap...

Oh wait... *phew* I thought you were serious... don't scare me like that please.



And that's exactly what Yoshi P is hinting at.

Actually then even yoshi p would be dead wrong A. fey light has 30 second up time. B. using fey illumination assuming only 2 healers are present would mean that they would give up 40% healing output increase. Whispering wind with fey illu and rouse is about a 300+ hps aoe hot which times 8 people is about 2400 hps. Explain in what reality a sch would even dream of using feylight over fey illumination. (oh ps I actually forgot to include the fact eos gets that healing buff so its actually 60%).

[Faction]

You forgot Fey Light. :P

And I currently have no SkSp on my body. I was testing other things soz.




O.o Holy Crap...

Oh wait... *phew* I thought you were serious... don't scare me like that please.



And that's exactly what Yoshi P is hinting at.

Yoshi P is bad at his own game, no different to you.

[HiirNoivl]

Actually then even yoshi p would be dead wrong .

How can Yoshi P be wrong about his own Game...?

How can anyone even think that way?

The level of hubris is too high...

[Conna]

How can Yoshi P be wrong about his own Game...?

How can anyone even think that way?

The level of hubris is too high...

Your history with SE must not go back very far. SE also thought that in ffxi warrior made a good tank...this was false. They thought Ninja damage was really good...this was false. SE has been wrong quite a bit actually,and unfortunately it takes them some time to realize that they screw it and correct problems all the time.