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  1. #61
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    Jolrael's Avatar
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    Jolrael Wildheart
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    Cerberus
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Honestly i do not mind the positional requirments or the fact that we have to stop dpsing every few seconds to dodge something.

    But i am getting pissed off at the fact that even if i clearly dodge something i get hit and get blamed for it. Now that annoys the crap out of me.

    Great example of how much fun being a melee in coil is when the instance is even little bit laggy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLUS6S24vU8
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  2. #62
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    Enforcer's Avatar
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    Cid Sanitus
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    Adamantoise
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino View Post
    SMN and BLM have their damage reduced by dodging AoE as well, because they are stuck with only a couple instant-cast spells when on the move. The only problem there would be if the number of boss-centered ones greatly outnumbers lines, cones, and ranged ones.

    Bard is just better than everyone because they're ranged and everything is instant.
    If you manage to not stay on top as SMN or BLM even though you have to dodge mechanics you're doing something wrong.
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  3. #63
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    BlackThought's Avatar
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    Black Thought
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    Malboro
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    Lancer Lv 70
    I'm actually heartened by these threads because I've been telling my FC peeps the same and they haven't been listening. This isn't qqing. There a legit balance issue going on and people's dismissiveness about it is really just depressing.
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  4. #64
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    LordMaitreya's Avatar
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    Jsun El
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    I would prefer slight nerfs to range classes before they up melee damage which could make some content too easy.

    They should start small by increasing the tp cost of all bard attacks. Then they would actually have to play their songs and not be the easiest class in mmo history.
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  5. #65
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    kukurumei's Avatar
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    Mei Mei
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    Ultros
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    Leatherworker Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LordMaitreya View Post
    I would prefer slight nerfs to range classes before they up melee damage which could make some content too easy.

    They should start small by increasing the tp cost of all bard attacks. Then they would actually have to play their songs and not be the easiest class in mmo history.
    Not really... brds and eventual rangers should suffer simliar to other games. Moving will lower acc/damage, and standing still will raise it back to normal, etc.

    Most mages are fine, one or two boss fights do not change the game. Cast time and interrupts are their bane.

    There is an issue with twitch mechanics though. The fact that a single mechanic will wipe a player will of course favor range.

    What's the use of a slight higher HP and tougher armor, more healing abilities when you're both going to die straight up.

    Of course melees don't roll vit, so who knows, maybe it'll sort itself out.

    ARR developers always had a problem with math. That's why mathematically speaking the battle system is down right simple. If they had put down a more robust equation system, there would be a lot more options on the table.
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  6. #66
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    Itseotle's Avatar
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    Itseotle Irracido
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    Diabolos
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by cfStatic View Post
    Trion Worlds(RIFT) had a really great philosophy about melee vs. ranged dps. It was that because melee are subject to all sorts of things, and generally speaking they're the less 'safe' option, their dps, on average, would always be 10% higher than that of ranged.

    As a DPS player, I'm there to kill things as fast as possible while putting the least amount of stress I can on my raid. I love melee DPS, but if this continues on I'd be really tempted to roll a BRD.
    Good philosophy, but one of the reasons I left that game was because they couldn't EVER get it right. xD well they did have a good LFD system
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  7. #67
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    7thPawn's Avatar
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    Seraphia Rhin
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 52
    I'll throw in my own experiences. I have been on the fence for the most part as to whether to do Drg or Brd down the road and so I levelled both Lnc and Arc just to see play style. I did 5 fates on each at the same level, the same areas, same fates. On Lnc I averaged 2k exp per fate. I was running like a madman and could not really get anything done. On Arc I was doing 5K+ per fate and didn't have to budge to actually do any of my damage. Even in dungeons the Lnc had to be positioned for certain strikes and had to run. Arc I just had to stand there clean away from the red stuff. All in all it is rather ridiculous to not be ranged with all of this going on.
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  8. #68
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    JokingCat's Avatar
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    Asura Strike
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    Cerberus
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    you need to tag many monsters as possible in a fate run, then you will get gold. its not that hard. problem is endgame and partys. there is no end game solo contend you need partys for gear and progress.
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  9. #69
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    Tribunus Augustus
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Itseotle View Post
    Good philosophy, but one of the reasons I left that game was because they couldn't EVER get it right. xD well they did have a good LFD system
    They got it pretty spot on with their expansions launch and have done a pretty good job since (probably because they fired the two of clueless class leads), pre expansion your right it was a constant yo-yo.
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarinolde View Post
    Name me one game where Melee isn't screwed over because Ranged.

    Also, killed Titan HM with 4 melee and 1 ranged. Problem?
    The Secret World. Melee dps is king
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