Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[SatrinaKali]

Yes, Warrior will be able (i hope so) to be main tank in Bahamuts Coil with Crystal Tower Equip.
But, Paladin is able NOW to be MT in Bahamuts Coil.

And that means, with Crystal Tower Equip, Paladin will be even better as MT, and fact is, PLD is less difficult to heal, that means less MP cost for healer and that mean PLD>WAR.

But if WAR can tank it..WHY..DOES...IT...MATTER. Will it be easier with a PLD? Sure, can a WAR do it? Yes...then so what? PLD can take a hit better then WAR, so long as WAR is able to actually tank things I dont care though. I've met tons of terrible PLDs who thought they could tank just because "Hey i'm a PLD".

[Surfie]

But if WAR can tank it..WHY..DOES...IT...MATTER. Will it be easier with a PLD? Sure, can a WAR do it? Yes...then so what? PLD can take a hit better then WAR, so long as WAR is able to actually tank things I dont care though. I've met tons of terrible PLDs who thought they could tank just because "Hey i'm a PLD".

Because Paladins are overpowered. They can main tank Coil with level 70 gear mixed with multiple pieces of level 60 gear. This means they are skipping an entire tier of gear.

Don't want Warriors to be buffed? Fine. But then you have to nerf the hell out of Paladins to bring them down to the Warrior level.

[Ehayte]

Don't want Warriors to be buffed? Fine. But then you have to nerf the hell out of Paladins to bring them down to the Warrior level.

I've seen this sentiment a few times. Disclaimer - I am not at end game (obviously), however, I have been at end game in several other MMOs. Those of you with righteous indignation for a class that is the exact single-target tanking equivalent of another class have a narrow view on combat-oriented co-op video games (isn't that funny? : D ). Take, for instance, Everquest original. Ask any EQ raider who the best tank is, they will immediately say Warrior without hesitating. Sony built Wars to be the best single target tank.

There are 2 other tanks in EQ, Paladin and Shadowknight. Can they tank end-game stuff as well as Warriors? Not even close. Can they tank group content as well as Warriors? Yes, some would say they do it better. Before you get red-faced, I do think Warriors are currently underpowered.

Aside: A lot of really cool and great ideas have been thrown around here, and I do sincerely believe that it would be possible to make a tank that is all about massive piles of hit points, something that was brought up before was that warriors would get 1 % increase in healing on them for each 1% they are away from maximum health - so at 75% hp, they get a 25% bonus, at 10% hp, they get a 90% bonus. That would scale away overhealing and other stuff, etc. I'm not a dev, nor do I have the time to think of the best way to do it, but I think it could work somehow.

Now, my main point is, YES there is such thing as a tank in an MMO that is not intended to be the main "raid" (large group) tank. When I was leading raids in EQ I would have been laughed out of ventrillo for suggesting a Shadowknight MT an expansion boss. But there are plently of Shadowknights wandering around because they are fun to play, compete on a small group level (excel even), and they have specific roles in raid events.

WARs need a fix, pretty badly, but it doesn't need to be "become as good as a PLD at main tanking". I just wanted to suggest a new line of thought - because PLDs are the main tanks of FFXIV right now, and I'd love to see two things: 1 - content is implemented/changed to give WAR a more specific role that allows them to exceed the PLDs usefulness in certain situations | 2 - WARs recieve some more fire-power, so the increased healing inverse health ratio idea, or something like all of their attacks (no matter what) always heal them for 30% of the damage they do, effectively giving them a pleasant stream of incoming health.

Iunno, open up your minds!

[Faction]

I've seen this sentiment a few times. Disclaimer - I am not at end game (obviously), however, I have been at end game in several other MMOs. Those of you with righteous indignation for a class that is the exact single-target tanking equivalent of another class have a narrow view on combat-oriented co-op video games (isn't that funny? : D ). Take, for instance, Everquest original. Ask any EQ raider who the best tank is, they will immediately say Warrior without hesitating. Sony built Wars to be the best single target tank.

There are 2 other tanks in EQ, Paladin and Shadowknight. Can they tank end-game stuff as well as Warriors? Not even close. Can they tank group content as well as Warriors?

Going to edit for more to say, hang on : D

"It's a co op game guys work together!!!"

You know who can work together vastly better than a paladin and a warrior? 2 paladins. Plz don't post until you play the game.

[Ehayte]

"It's a co op game guys work together!!!"

You know who can work together vastly better than a paladin and a warrior? 2 paladins. Plz don't post until you play the game.

Hey, play nice you *deleted so I don't look like a fool*. Maybe you shouldn't open up your thoughts to the world until you've learned to communicate in a pleasant manner. I didn't speak to any of the end-game mechanics in any sort of specific way, so there is no reason for you to attack me.

Also, thanks for quoting me before I was done typing out my thoughts. Classy.

[Surfie]

Hey, play nice you *deleted so I don't look like a fool*. Maybe you shouldn't open up your thoughts to the world until you've learned to communicate in a pleasant manner. I didn't speak to any of the end-game mechanics in any sort of specific way, so there is no reason for you to attack me.

Also, thanks for quoting me before I was done typing out my thoughts. Classy.

Your thoughts are outdated and stupid. You want one class to act as main tank and one class to sit in 4 man dungeons.

[ZephyrK]

Hey, play nice you *deleted so I don't look like a fool*. Maybe you shouldn't open up your thoughts to the world until you've learned to communicate in a pleasant manner. I didn't speak to any of the end-game mechanics in any sort of specific way, so there is no reason for you to attack me.

Also, thanks for quoting me before I was done typing out my thoughts. Classy.

In her defense, you are a Paladin talking about Warrior problems, and justifying them using a 20 year old game. There are reasons for her to be upset.

[Ehayte]

In her defense, you are a Paladin talking about Warrior problems, and justifying them using a 20 year old game. There are reasons for her to be upset.

No, I think it would be possible to have one tank as a main tank, and another tank that specializes in off-tanking mechanics, or some other aspect. I also stated I think WARs need a fix.

Also, don't you think a 20 year old game (its just nearing 14 btw) would have some credence in viable game-play just based on the fact that its been around for so long?

[Rios-Drakoon]

WARs need a fix, pretty badly, but it doesn't need to be "become as good as a PLD at main tanking". I just wanted to suggest a new line of thought - because PLDs are the main tanks of FFXIV right now, and I'd love to see two things: 1 - content is implemented/changed to give WAR a more specific role that allows them to exceed the PLDs usefulness in certain situations | 2 - WARs recieve some more fire-power, so the increased healing inverse health ratio idea, or something like all of their attacks (no matter what) always heal them for 30% of the damage they do, effectively giving them a pleasant stream of incoming health.

Iunno, open up your minds!

SE Need to fix Warrior.

Increase the 15+Heal on 20% and put it on Defiance (Palas take 20%less dmg, we take 20% more heal all the time, sounds fair i think)
Increase Bloodbath to 150% for Warrior Only
Increase Storms Path to 200%
Increase Inner BEast to 400%

Then, the Healer will feel a Diffrence, becuase right now the healer feels a shit if we use Bloodbath, or StormsPath because the heal is just a bad joke.
Also Inner Beast, we Need 12,5sec to build it up, thats way to Long for only 800 Heals, i know, some ppl can 2000+ selfheal, but for that u Need to use Convalcence and the Berserk, and they have 2min and 90sec CD, so.

[Rios-Drakoon]

But if WAR can tank it..WHY..DOES...IT...MATTER. Will it be easier with a PLD? Sure, can a WAR do it? Yes...then so what? PLD can take a hit better then WAR, so long as WAR is able to actually tank things I dont care though. I've met tons of terrible PLDs who thought they could tank just because "Hey i'm a PLD".

Tell me something,

What is better for a Group, a Paladin Tank who CAN MT Coil RIGHT NOW, and so with Crystal Twoer Equip he can even Tank better, Or a Warrior, who Need tons of more Heal and have more Spikes, and a Selfheal that is just a bad joke. and also Warrior cant MT Coil, at least not yet, maybee with Crystal Tower Equip, but still, Paladin is better. way better.

So, for the Group ist the better choice to use a Paladin Tank. AND THAT DOES MATTER!!!!!

Let the People the choice, Warrior or Paladin, when both are equal then ist ok, then you can say "Bring the People and not the Class"