OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Eldaena]

I'm a 50 WHM, and just received Succor on my SCH.


I think it's perfectly fine the way it is... It's not meant to be an OMG I NEED TO HEAL EVERYONE IN ONE AOE. No, it's meant to be a cushion, and a way to avoid some dmg from an incoming AoE. A heal+shield which gives you enough time for you and your fairy to heal everyone with Physick/Embrace.

You have to learn how to use it. If you see everyone standing in a red circle or know a big boss AoE is coming, use it to prevent some dmg, the use it again to heal them and prevent them from taking more dmg, followed by using Physick/Embrace on them. I have enjoyed this strategic gameplay of SCH vs WHM "OMG UR GONNA DIE I NEED TO HEAL WITH AOE AND DRAW ALL AGGRO" spam.

Also, SCH has like... unlimited MP... lol.

In my opinion, Succor is best coupled with a Medica II from the white mage in the party. Preventing damage while retroactively recovering it underneath. The other option is Whispering Dawn + Succor but that's more difficult to pull off without macros. Also, sometimes I'd get close to running out of mp on Scholar during Titan HM, but I would just do my best to drain or in a desperate situation ask for a ballad. =)

[fanservice]

Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer.

/facepalm

That is why you need one scholar and one white mage in an advanced situation.

You don't need a scholar.

You do always need at least one whitemage.

What is unique to a scholar isn't powerful enough to be the difference between a win and a wipe.

Scared Soil, Virus, Adloquium, Succor, Eye for an Eye, access to Stone Skin and Protect, and Fey Covenant. All these abilities retroactively prevent damage. All these are accessible by every scholar.

Virus, eye for and eye, stoneskin, and protect aren't unique to a scholar.

Adloquium is pretty much cure ii that SCHs can't cast for free. Having succor alone as an answer for AOEs is a problem with the way shields work. Not counting whispering down because pet UI needs work and has a minute cooldown for a 21 second HOT with 100 potency (not the SCH's potency either, so it's slightly weaker than you think).

[FinagleABagel]

Enough with this on-paper theory crafting. Get in the dang game and get BETTER AT IT.

There's nothing wrong with scholars.

[fanservice]

Enough with this on-paper theory crafting. Get in the dang game and get BETTER AT IT.

There's nothing wrong with scholars.

How would you feel if you didn't have physic, and couldn't get cure tomorrow? What if adloquium was the only single target heal SCHs had?

There's nothing really wrong with succor itself. Only having succor with the way shields work right now is bad, though.

[Alu79]

Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer.

Post the link of the devs stating this please. Because if this was even remotely true, guess what, we wouldn't be allowed to q as main heals the same way we couldn't before lvl 30. So if I can q for a specific role, I need the tools to accomplish that, your being carried by a whm is nice and all, but that means absolutely squat.

Again, post the link of the devs saying this please.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer. That is why you need one scholar and one white mage in an advanced situation. (Titan HM for example.) They are not garbage, my two mains are White mage and Scholar! And I've gotten past titan HM on both because I play them correctly. Scared Soil, Virus, Adloquium, Succor, Eye for an Eye, access to Stone Skin and Protect, and Fey Covenant. All these abilities retroactively prevent damage. All these are accessible by every scholar. If you don't already know what scholar is supposed to do, just look at these abilities. And while YOU are using all these support abilities, you even have support yourself! Your fairy is always helping you out and backing up the party! The only thing we need as scholars now is for pet abilities to be macro-able. 1 scholar and 1 white mage is way more useful on Garuda HM and Titan HM than stacking either of them. They are necessary and relevant and not under powered.

"Warrior is support tank, not main tank". We know where this BS argument goes.

[Soukyuu]

The issue is too many people trying to play SCH like a WHM.

-snip-

So yes, if you fall behind in damage it'll be harder to catch up. The idea is to never fall behind. Be proactive. SCHs are about preventing and mitigating damage. If you try to play one like a WHM, you're gonna have a bad time, and that's not the class's fault, it's you're own.

IMHO, this post pretty much sums it up. Once I stopped playing SCH as a WHM, I started having less troubles keeping people's hp up. Succor/Adloquium before the battle sets up a barrier that lets you pause your healing thus not generating enmity in the initial phase when the tank is still grabbing aggro. Too many adds? Sacred Soil, Rouse and Eye for an Eye. Not to mention you get a 20% chance for a free Succor with it, which also makes it an ideal tool if the party takes unexpected damage.



Succor -> Physick on targets that need it most + fairy healing -> Succor has saved my life more times than I can count already.

Adloquium is pretty much cure ii that SCHs can't cast for free. Having succor alone as an answer for AOEs is a problem with the way shields work.

Considering the insane MP generation abilities, you hardly need a free Cure II. You do get Succor for free if you cast Sacred Soil though. Pre-cast that before an AoE and you get a 10% damage reduction + shields. Of course you can only cast it 3 times in a row, but that's what strategy is for.

You don't need a scholar.

You do always need at least one whitemage.

Two WHMs are more likely to run out of MP than a WHM and a SCH. Once they do, you wipe. A SCH won't run out of MP, and will save MP for the WHM in the process.

"Warrior is support tank, not main tank". We know where this BS argument goes.

Do we? Remeber WAR being the main tank and PLD sulking in a corner? Now it's the opposite. Depending on balancing, that might change again. So might SCH vs WHM

[Noctrin]

I'd be fine with scholar granted they fixed the way pets work and shorter cd on the pet aoe heal.

Allow pet skills to be assigned in a macro, and the wow style right click to disable autocasting. If the pet aoe heal had like a 30-40 second cooldown, we could reliably use it with succor. We sould still not be as good as a whm in terms of aoe healing, but we could manage.

[FinagleABagel]

How would you feel if you didn't have physic, and couldn't get cure tomorrow? What if adloquium was the only single target heal SCHs had?

There's nothing really wrong with succor itself. Only having succor with the way shields work right now is bad, though.

What are you going on about? I am a scholar and I'm saying there's nothing wrong.

If you can't clear stuff, that's on you - not your job.

[fanservice]

Considering the insane MP generation abilities, you hardly need a free Cure II.

Never said SCHs do.

You do get Succor for free if you cast Sacred Soil though.

20% chance.

Pre-cast that before an AoE and you get a 10% damage reduction + shields. Of course you can only cast it 3 times in a row, but that's what strategy is for.

30 second recast time. 15 second effect. Costs one lustrate/energy drain. Tied to atherflow's minute long cooldown

Don't make it sound like it can be spammed for free with no opportunity cost.

Two WHMs are more likely to run out of MP than a WHM and a SCH. Once they do, you wipe. A SCH won't run out of MP, and will save MP for the WHM in the process.

I heard bards are extremely popular, and people like to have at least 2. This isn't an excuse.

What are you going on about? I am a scholar and I'm saying there's nothing wrong.

That doesn't make you right. I could just point out the pet UI needs to be fixed and that throws a wrench in your 'there's nothing wrong' argument.

The point I'm making is succor is fine. Shields are fine. Not having an alternative to succor with how shield mechanics are isn't fine. I shouldn't have to explain to you why given this. Having only succor is like casting adloquium on someone with a stronger shield on anyway; you're wasting half of the spell, MP, and time in general.

If you can't clear stuff, that's on you - not your job.

So a L2p is the best you can fall back on rather than talk about it? Classy.