OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Eldaena]

I play both White Mage and Scholar and find both Medica II and Succor extremely useful... remember both of these jobs are best complimented when working together.

[Cariborne]

I think SCH and WHM are just fine as they are, I've seen them both solo heal Ifrit without any MP issues, and they both have different ways of healing. The WHM does have bigger heals, but also has to monitor their MP more (ie. Keep SoS on CD once you spend some MP) they're able to heal off the big hits without much issue. SCH on the other hand heals for less, but leaves a shield behind to make the next hit less threatening, meanwhile they have a fairy throwing HoTs and heals out for them saving them time, and allowing them to focus on other targets. People really seem to underestimate the power of the Fairies and the Shields when combined. WHM heals off the damage, SCH mitigates the damage, and they work amazingly when paired with each other. The only thing I would change in either class is make the SCH shields stack with each other so Double SCH isn't so painful, and make Fairies smarter, and with the WHM make Cure III not so useless with its AoE Healing.

[Astorie]

The issue is too many people trying to play SCH like a WHM. SCHs are not reactive healers, they're proactive protectors. Consider your actual selection of skills, even the ones you're complaining about. If you play like a WHM and try to heal damage already done, then yes a piddly "161 when the lowest HP is 1600" seems worthless. When you realize that you're putting a barrier on ALL PARTY MEMBERS for 161 as well, and that amounts to a total of 644 damage prevented, it adds up. Chain succor on Titan HM helps mitigate a large amount of Tumult's damage (hits for ~700 dmg/pulse normally, hits for 300/pulse with shield). This allow's a WHM's Medica II HoT to practically cover the damage on its own.

So yes, if you fall behind in damage it'll be harder to catch up. The idea is to never fall behind. Be proactive. SCHs are about preventing and mitigating damage. If you try to play one like a WHM, you're gonna have a bad time, and that's not the class's fault, it's you're own.

[Terius]

Cast Succor before an AoE attack, everybody takes reduced dmg which is easier to heal. Maybe get everyone to run into Sacred Soil before the AoE for dmg reduction before it hits.

Dont react like you have Medica II, because we dont.

Learn to use Rouse + Whispering Dawn combo, you know you can control your Faries and what they do right?

Succor is good as it is. I do 300 + 300 shield, and can do AoE Regen/Rouse combo. And even if I need to do this, its usually an 8 man and I'm teamed with a WHM.

[Alu79]

You WHM's are hilarious.. You think SCH's are NOT preshielding? These issues are issues BECAUSE preshielding isn't as effective as you seem to think it is. You guys are seriously petty to not want SCH to get some fixes. Pet AI is garbage. Selene is garbage. 2 SCH in a group is garbage. Succor healing values are garbage when you need to top your raid off and whispering dawn is on cd. Getting pet skills locked out when your gcd is active is garbage. Less tools to heal stupid is garbage. Less tools to deal with the unexpected is garbage.

It is one thing to have a niche, but roles like tanking and healing cannot be so niched that it is detrimental. Currently that is what's happening and you guys are closing your eyes and shouting lalalalala because you feel your raid slot will be threatened.. so lets keep an entire class down then getting them fixes. Sad.

[NakoSuri]

I honestly think SCH is fine right now. I've only been doing AK, HM Ifrit and Garuda, but I've done them all at least 10 times each. I like to keep my parser running to check on my performance, and on HM Garuda, I usually end up being 70% of the healing done (including my pet), and I never even come close to running out of MP. However I will agree that Selene has very little use, it's just not worth giving up the extra healing, and we should be able to manage our pet's abilities off of our GCD. Other than that, I've had no issues at all keeping people alive, and I'm loving how we're a pit of endless MP.

[sharazisspecial]

only been doing AK, HM Ifrit and Garuda

pit of endless MP

When you do actual serious fights then all this changes. Just like warrior tanks are fine(or even better) for AK ifrit and garuda but becomes jokes compared to pld in harder fights.

To match whm's healing potency sch needs to cast more spells.

[JonFarron]

I'm a 50 WHM, and just received Succor on my SCH.


I think it's perfectly fine the way it is... It's not meant to be an OMG I NEED TO HEAL EVERYONE IN ONE AOE. No, it's meant to be a cushion, and a way to avoid some dmg from an incoming AoE. A heal+shield which gives you enough time for you and your fairy to heal everyone with Physick/Embrace.

You have to learn how to use it. If you see everyone standing in a red circle or know a big boss AoE is coming, use it to prevent some dmg, the use it again to heal them and prevent them from taking more dmg, followed by using Physick/Embrace on them. I have enjoyed this strategic gameplay of SCH vs WHM "OMG UR GONNA DIE I NEED TO HEAL WITH AOE AND DRAW ALL AGGRO" spam.

Also, SCH has like... unlimited MP... lol.

[fanservice]

A heal+shield which gives you enough time for you and your fairy to heal everyone with Physick/Embrace.

This is the problem. Outside of a 150 heal potency cushion, using single target heals is more effective, and efficient when you want to heal off damage from multiple people. You know this, but you don't realize that's a problem that SCH's don't have a reliable AOE heal, and single target healing people one at a time is a SCHs best option unless there's a WHM, then the best option is tell them to cast medica ii, then medica. All it takes is 2 spellcasts for them to accomplish something that would take a SCH at least 4 casts to do. Even more when medica ii ticks with half the time and MP spent.

That 150 heal potency shield+that wopping 10% damage reduction bubble is never the deciding factor of needing a SCH. How does any of that measure up to healing 100% more with the same time and mp compared to a standard medica? Not even counting medica ii, or cure iii. It's almost a guarantee there will be more fights with more AOE damage just like that in any MMO.

Before you spew 'different classes are different', tell me what advantage SCHs have that warrants a nearly total void in their healing kit, because SCH's aren't even half as good as WHM's in AOE healing which is a big deal. Not asking for equality. Asking for an actual AOE heal, because as you yourself said, succor isn't worth casting more than once or twice while we still have a half-dozen injured.

Something like a choice similar to physic vs adloquium for aoes is just missing. SCH's shouldn't recast adloqium if a shield is up already, so there's physic for that. Don't have that choice with AOE heals though.

Also, SCH has like... unlimited MP... lol.

1: given how popular they are, and any decent premade group actively looks for at least one, there should always be at least one bard in your 8 mans
2: you shouldn't even need mage's ballad most of the time
3: stop spamming cure ii without freecure procs
4: use shroud of saints
5: if you're running out of MP in a 4 man as a WHM, see #3, and 4, or tell your group to stop being bad and getting hit by stuff they shouldn't get hit by

I'm tired of seeing CNJs use this BS excuse. That goes for all of you saying this same thing.

[Eldaena]

You WHM's are hilarious.. You think SCH's are NOT preshielding? These issues are issues BECAUSE preshielding isn't as effective as you seem to think it is. You guys are seriously petty to not want SCH to get some fixes. Pet AI is garbage. Selene is garbage. 2 SCH in a group is garbage. Succor healing values are garbage when you need to top your raid off and whispering dawn is on cd. Getting pet skills locked out when your gcd is active is garbage. Less tools to heal stupid is garbage. Less tools to deal with the unexpected is garbage.

Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer. That is why you need one scholar and one white mage in an advanced situation. (Titan HM for example.) They are not garbage, my two mains are White mage and Scholar! And I've gotten past titan HM on both because I play them correctly. Scared Soil, Virus, Adloquium, Succor, Eye for an Eye, access to Stone Skin and Protect, and Fey Covenant. All these abilities retroactively prevent damage. All these are accessible by every scholar. If you don't already know what scholar is supposed to do, just look at these abilities. And while YOU are using all these support abilities, you even have support yourself! Your fairy is always helping you out and backing up the party! The only thing we need as scholars now is for pet abilities to be macro-able. 1 scholar and 1 white mage is way more useful on Garuda HM and Titan HM than stacking either of them. They are necessary and relevant and not under powered.