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    Maim, Storm's Eye, and Unchained(subsequently, Defiance's damage modifier) does not affect Second Wind.
    I can understand being ignorant about pure damage modifiers, but howd you come up with the logic that a slashing resistance debuff on the enemy would improve Second Wind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruminate View Post
    Maim, Storm's Eye, and Unchained(subsequently, Defiance's damage modifier) does not affect Second Wind.
    I can understand being ignorant about pure damage modifiers, but howd you come up with the logic that a slashing resistance debuff on the enemy would improve Second Wind?
    You're right, was thinking about inner beast in another forum discussion. Second Wind's stats are modified through Attack Power (aka STR) leaving berserk and crit values the only modifying values. Even without this hitting 21% without a crit is easy (About 1350 on a 6400 tank), and the 32% heal on crit still makes this ability far more useful than Mantra or Awareness for a main tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    You're right, was thinking about inner beast in another forum discussion. Second Wind's stats are modified through Attack Power (aka STR) leaving berserk and crit values the only modifying values. Even without this hitting 21% without a crit is easy (About 1350 on a 6400 tank), and the 32% heal on crit still makes this ability far more useful than Mantra or Awareness for a main tank.
    1.) How could you be thinking about Inner Beast from another forum discussion when one of the abilities you mentioned was Unchained? Seriously.

    2.) ~1 ATK = ~1 heal from Second Wind. In order for Second Wind to heal for 1350 without critting, you would need over 1.2k attack during Berserk up. In order to get over 1.2k attack, your strength would need to be over 800. Even if you were 100% decked out in ilvl 90 gear, your strength wouldn't even break 600.
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    2 AP - 1 STR, 1350 AP = 675 STR there son, and we're not factoring in the 50% AP addition from berserk. So let's say you're another fail VIT tank with the standard fare 300 STR:

    300 STR = 600AP * 1.5 Berserk = 900- again taking no other stat modifying ability into play.

    If you want to doubt me, fine. If you want to call me an idiot, fine. But don't you *dare* use bullshit math to incorrectly prove your point and call me a liar while pulling numbers from out of your ass. 1200 AP is easy for a warrior, and if you're struggling it's not because the math is wrong it's because the way you're building your warrior is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    2 AP - 1 STR, 1350 AP = 675 STR there son, and we're not factoring in the 50% AP addition from berserk. So let's say you're another fail VIT tank with the standard fare 300 STR:

    300 STR = 600AP * 1.5 Berserk = 900- again taking no other stat modifying ability into play.

    If you want to doubt me, fine. If you want to call me an idiot, fine. But don't you *dare* use bullshit math to incorrectly prove your point and call me a liar while pulling numbers from out of your ass. 1200 AP is easy for a warrior, and if you're struggling it's not because the math is wrong it's because the way you're building your warrior is.
    1 AP = 1 STR
    800 STR = 800 AP = 1200 AP with Berserk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruminate View Post
    1 AP = 1 STR
    800 STR = 800 AP = 1200 AP with Berserk
    ROFLMAO- pulling numbers out your ass and again proving my point. 1200 Second Wind heal for your fail VIT tank or a 1350 on an STR tank (22%) or 1900 (31%) on a crit. Again, it does not matter how you look at the math compared to the 5% group healing bonus or a 25% crit reduction on a boss' standard attack with a 9% crit rating- Second Wind triumphs in almost any situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    ROFLMAO- pulling numbers out your ass and again proving my point. 1200 Second Wind heal for your fail VIT tank or a 1350 on an STR tank (22%) or 1900 (31%) on a crit. Again, it does not matter how you look at the math compared to the 5% group healing bonus or a 25% crit reduction on a boss' standard attack with a 9% crit rating- Second Wind triumphs in almost any situation.
    Log into the game.
    Open up your character stat page.
    Look at your strength.
    Look at your attack power.
    Remove a piece of equipment, any piece.
    Look at your strength again.
    Look at your attack power again.
    Stop and think. Think for as long as you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    ROFLMAO- pulling numbers out your ass and again proving my point. 1200 Second Wind heal for your fail VIT tank or a 1350 on an STR tank (22%) or 1900 (31%) on a crit. Again, it does not matter how you look at the math compared to the 5% group healing bonus or a 25% crit reduction on a boss' standard attack with a 9% crit rating- Second Wind triumphs in almost any situation.


    Even with fully stacked defiance and berserk it's 750... lol. I can't think of a worse use of Berserk than to give yourself a heal for ~750. Sorry buddy but 30 str doesn't help you much there.
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    Last edited by Faction; 09-22-2013 at 04:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    ROFLMAO- pulling numbers out your ass and again proving my point. 1200 Second Wind heal for your fail VIT tank or a 1350 on an STR tank (22%) or 1900 (31%) on a crit. Again, it does not matter how you look at the math compared to the 5% group healing bonus or a 25% crit reduction on a boss' standard attack with a 9% crit rating- Second Wind triumphs in almost any situation.
    I call out a troll...if not I feel sorry for you.
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