Melee roles are being gimped in this game

[Stormsoul]

this is how it is in every mmo, ranged is always more convenient/easier. : /

this game handled it better by at least making it so you NEED one melee DPS for the limit break, in some other games people would just completely stack ranged dps.

personally, it doesn't bother me. i've always mained melee DPS and always loved having to deal with dodging crap and worring about surviving on top of trying to do great damage.

[hola]

this is how it is in every mmo, ranged is always more convenient/easier. : /

this game handled it better by at least making it so you NEED one melee DPS for the limit break, in some other games people would just completely stack ranged dps.

personally, it doesn't bother me. i've always mained melee DPS and always loved having to deal with dodging crap and worring about surviving on top of trying to do great damage.

you will see new range dps LB as soon as Musketeer is out.

[Truedragon]

you will see new range dps LB as soon as Musketeer is out.

Let me take a guess: machine gunfire, highest dps LB?

[Brynmor]

this is how it is in every mmo, ranged is always more convenient/easier. : /

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It's pretty consistent, yea. I wonder why I still roll melee DPS in MMOs at this point. Ranged consistently have a much easier time dealing with mechanics than melee. Bosses need more ranged donut AoE...

But yes, this has been my experience in Coil and on the HM Primals as well. Melee have to deal with more mechanics/AoE and lose DPS when running out of melee range on many fights compared to ranged DPS who have few, if any limitations. At least BLMs and to a lesser extent SMNs have to deal with cast times, but what is the limiting factor for BRDs? They have literally nothing to deal with; no cast times, no positional requirements, nothing.

Bosses need more attacks that force ranged to move, melee needs to do more DPS innately if we have to deal with more stuff or ranged needs more limiting factors, similar to the positional requirements for melee. Something. Right now ranged has far too many advantages and no disadvantages.

[Enforcer]

this is how it is in every mmo, ranged is always more convenient/easier. : /

this game handled it better by at least making it so you NEED one melee DPS for the limit break, in some other games people would just completely stack ranged dps.

personally, it doesn't bother me. i've always mained melee DPS and always loved having to deal with dodging crap and worring about surviving on top of trying to do great damage.

I don't mind melee being harder to play than ranged. But at the cost of lower damage and less utility..? Hell naw.

[Conkers]

this is how it is in every mmo, ranged is always more convenient/easier. : /

That rather depends upon what you are referring to, sure in terms of avoiding AOE/cleave then melee generally requires more work / is harder.

On the other hand that is offset in many games I've played by the fact many range classes are more complex to play, e.g - warrior in GW2 is faceroll compared to engineer, warrior in Rift was faceroll compare to mage, champ in LOTRO is faceroll compared to Loremaster, etc (granted there are rare exceptions of complex melee class like Burglar in LOTRO, but as I said they are rare), to the point in some cases (like Loremaster) where the player is far busier and needs far more awareness than a typical melee class, of course there is usually one range class that is also faceroll, normally the class wielding the bow.

To me this game is unusual, in that lancer/dragoon and especially pugilist/monk seem to be more complex than archer/bard, thurm/BLM, etc.

[MalcolmReynolds]

To me this game is unusual, in that lancer/dragoon and especially pugilist/monk seem to be more complex than archer/bard, thurm/BLM, etc.

I hope they don't take this approach and "dumb down" playing as melee. It's fun and it's challenging and that's how it should stay. All I think any melee here is asking for is a reason for groups to need melee aside from just the LB.

[Ellyidol]

I hope they don't take this approach and "dumb down" playing as melee. It's fun and it's challenging and that's how it should stay. All I think any melee here is asking for is a reason for groups to need melee aside from just the LB.

In a nutshell, this.

I love PLAYING Dragoon at the moment, love the rotations needed and love the way it fights. I'm just disappointed with the fact that despite the challenge for getting the combos/rotations/positioning right, a Bard that spams a few buttons and stands still, still has more DPS than us with a way easier time doing it.

Minus personal preference, I literally do not see a logical reason to bring a melee DPS over a ranged DPS. I could even argue that the melee LB damage can be offset by a mage LB + better DPS from a ranged DPS. Or, if a boss has a mechanic that more than X sources of rDPS wipes the group.

[Jarinolde]

A couple of points. First, just because it's like that in most MMOs doesn't mean it should be like that in XIV. That's a pretty terrible argument.

The same thing is said in every game ever "it shouldn't be like that" but nothing ever changes.

To me this game is unusual, in that lancer/dragoon and especially pugilist/monk seem to be more complex than archer/bard, thurm/BLM, etc.

Weird, because while learning an optimal MNK rotation took some time, it sure wasn't hard for me by any stretch. Nor is it terribly difficult in execution, even on an actually hard fight like Titan HM.

[MalcolmReynolds]

The same thing is said in every game ever "it shouldn't be like that" but nothing ever changes.

I'm waiting for your point. That's still a terrible argument. "Oh, it hasn't been fixed before so let's just leave it broken."