No real endgame raiding content in 2.1

[Yoko_Kurama]

I don't know Orsnoire, i didn't start game hopping until i had a job and a girlfriend, i realized i didn't have the sort of hours available to dedicate fully to end game content in some of the more hardcore games i used to play and since i couldn't keep up with the elite i would just go to another game. The time I spent the most time in a game was when i was a full time student and had no job except on weekends, at that time 2008-2010 I played a pvp based korean game in which there were 3 modes of gameplay, normal, hard, and ultimate modes. Each mode you could level to 50 the same but each mode not only got harder but gave more stats per level. Normal mode was 5 stats (to be allocated in anything you wanted dex/int/rec/str etc..), hard mode was 7 stats and ultimate was 9 stats, an ultimate mode character if killed can be deleted without a special charm which had to be purchased with real money, thus a level 50 ultimate mode character was like 20 times stronger than a level 50 normal mode. Sorry for all that but my point was there was so much end game and pvp content in that game that it took me a 6 months of hardcore play just to become a noteworthy mage in the server, it took another 6 months to be the strongest mage in that server and finally the pvp was so enticing and fun that i was addicted to that game with no girlfriend until 2010....Now that was an mmorpg that held a hardcore gamers attention!

So you can say things like people shouldn't be using 40+ hours a week to play video games but the fact of the matter is that if the game had enough challenging content then even those 40+ hour a week guys wouldn't be complaining here.

[Felis]

No end content in 2.1? Crystal Tower is End content, for 24 man

Will there be new levels of Bahamut in patch 2.1?

Next update for Bahamut is coming in patch 2.2. In .2.1 we’ll be adding Crystal Tower. Both updated will be done alternative. Bahamut > Crystal Tower > Bahamut > Crystal Tower, in that order.

I see. So it’s not like once you clear all of bahamut then you can challenge in Crystal Tower?

It’s not like that. Crystal Tower is alliance based end content while Bahamut is 8 player party based ultimate end content. We’ll update these in alternate.

I see, so both contents are not related, they are two separate individual end contents. So it’s even possible to do play Bahamut only since your group can’t get 24 people?

Yes, you can play like that as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1290186

[Swishytail]

No end content in 2.1? Crystal Tower is End content, for 24 man

^ Wins the thread.

[Shiyo]

^ Wins the thread.

What? No one doing coil will need to do crystal tower because it drops gear 10 ilvls lower and is a complete waste of time for character progression. No one farming turn 1-4 in coil right now will need to run crystal tower because why would they want inferior gear?

Crystal tower is for casuals, lower ilvl gear, more people required, can be carried through because it's 24 man, and overall much easier content than coil(stated by Yoshi). Coil requires all 8 people playing flawlessly. Hell, crystal tower will be doable in PUG's via DF(stated by yoshi)...something coil will never be able to do until they nerf it. So yeah, 2.1 adds no worthwhile end game content, it adds casual zerg content for casuals to progress their characters, but much lower ilvl than Coil. It's a seperate path to char progress, not extending the current very limited and lacking current end game content. This is assuming Extreme mode primals are as relevant as hard mode ones are now(do once for relics, then never again).

If this was WOW, think of it this way:

Crystal tower = Normal mode/LFR Raids

Coil = Hardmodes

Except coil was released 4 months before crystal tower, so you can't progress LFR /normal - > hardmodes because you already have ilvl 90 gear from coil/tokens and crystal tower is 10 ilvls lower.

Releasing crystal tower in the next content patch and no other form of progression(Assuming extreme mode primals just drop weapons and not ilvl 91+ gear) is backwards, it's releasing a raid 1 tier lower than the raid everyone's been doing for 4 months.

It's literally progressing backwards.

[Felis]

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What are the stats from the crystal tower gear?

[Starlord]

What are the stats from the crystal tower gear?

I would like to know too! :O

So yeah, 2.1 adds no worthwhile end game content

To you and some people. the definition of hard and easy are different from person to person. Just because it's easy for you, doesn't mean it's easy for me. So in the end, yes it maybe not worthwhile to YOU, but worthwhile to me and other people that see it as "Hard".

2. In my opinion there were way to many people rushing themselves to level 50, and now we are seeing the end result which is people saying "I am tired of running AK over and over" or theres nothing to do. I have logged quite a fbit and my main class is BLM which is only lvl 42 right now. I have enjoyed crafting, dungeons, exploring, hunting, and the STORY!!!

CaZx you get it! /highfive

[CaZx]

I have a couple of thoughts on a variety of points raised throughout this thread.

1. The alternative to releasing the game as-is, with its current amount of end game content, would have been to simply postpone the games release. I don't know about the rest of you..but personally I would rather play the game as-is with its current content while waiting for more content and a higher lvl cap. It is not as if their holding onto content..I am sure their creating it as quickly as possible.

2. This is the end result of so many people rushing as quickly as possible to level 50. This is what happens when people fate grind their way to 50..skip the majority of the story content (in favor of skipping cutscene's by not reading or watching anything) and then doing quick runs through AK or other dungeons over and over to grind out the amount of tomes they needed. Many of those people are sitting there with only a small handful of things to do now.

On the flipside, I have put quite a bit of hours into this game and my main class is only a lvl 42. I took my time..paid attention to the story..spent some time crafting/gathering..have helped a couple of FC people with various dungeons and what not. Do you know how much time I have spent in fate parties on my way to lvl 42? The answer is zero..nada..none...It may be necessary for the last few levels and it might be necessary for any other class I decide to take to lvl 50 but its certainly not a requirement for your main class unless your objective is to rush your way to the end game...but again that doesn't make sense in a new MMO.

3. As others have pointed out..nobody is forcing you to run certain things over and over again...try and get some playtime in other aspects of the game. Level another class..create a new character..level a crafting/gathering class...spend some time helping people in your FC...there is more to the game than simply running AK over and over to grind out tomes.

You can call me a white knight or whatever..I acknowledge that the game content may get stale if the new stuff doesn't release in a reasonable time frame. However, I find it a little odd to power level yourself to 50..and then wonder why its getting boring. I do think the leveling is a little on the quick side..even when you take your time..but some people were level 50 within a week on their new characters..take a breath and slow the F down. There should also be some interesting PVP content releasing in one of the future updates..that should add a whole other aspect to the game.

[Shiyo]

Crystal tower gear was datamined months ago, use google. It's a commonly known fact it's ilvl 80 gear.

[Starlord]

Crystal tower gear was datamined months ago, use google. It's a commonly known fact it's ilvl 80 gear.

and "Data" can be "subject to change" hence why data really shouldn't be mined, because it can be irrelevant later on. ( looks will most like stay the same, but the stats can surely change)

[Keraint]

"New Primal Battle: Good King Moggle Mog XII
Extreme Mode Primal Battles
New Dungeons
- Two Hard Mode Dungeons
- Brand New Dungeon: Pharos Sirius
The Crystal Tower
Housing
The Wolves' Den
Treasure Hunting
Hard Mode Boss Battles
Beastmen Daily Quests
Duty Finder - Random Matching System"

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/000494.html