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  1. #11
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    neoreturn's Avatar
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    Neo Anderson
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Gear is super important for fights with unavoidable damage like HM Titan.

    If you don't have health above 3000 HP then you're a hindrance to the group.
    Just let you know his HP only 2.7k, did titan to 10% but someone else screw up. when people saw there is 2.7k HP healer they just quit and don't even want to try. So far my worest experience for Titan fight is in premade gear check group. Some high gear player continue die at phase1. That's very rare in DF pug group.
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  2. #12
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    Orophin Calmcacil
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Skill can only get you so far. It's an important factor, but if you don't have the necessary gear for harder content you're just putting your group at a disadvantage as you're making the fight drag on longer by doing less damage or running out of MP by having less efficient cures.
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  3. #13
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    Resa Nome
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Taemek View Post
    It is a pure shame that the elitest argument always semms to rear its ugly head in online video games.

    However, there is but one simple way to explain it.


    Gear is simply not every thing and is not what always determines the fate of a fight. It does however make good players great and great players perfectionists. The great players tend to not need a hand up, where the good players need all the help they can get.

    Gear score, item level, what ever you want to call it these days is not the end all be all that defines us or the outcome of a battle ingame, it is merely a way to determine someones dedication and time spent playing. The rest boils down to brain power, understanding a fight, the ability to adapt to "oh ^&%$" moments and the countless amount of other variables that always seem to plague us in this industry, BSoD's, lag, loss of connection, distractions etc etc.

    At the end of the day, it boils down to what you are happy with and can it be done with a monumental amount of effort, after all, what feels better for you, trivializing a fight or being the under dog and rising to victory? I tend to choose the later, as I prefer my time spent playing feel some what rewarding, even if the virtual experience of it all is some what, pointless.

    One last thing, just remember, on the other end of that screen is not a player, but a person. A little common courtesy can go a long way in to grooming someone to becoming that next perfectionist.
    You are fighting against game design with this attitude, not some elitist argument. I understand what you are trying to say but there are simply fights in this game where no amounts of friendship and effort is going to get you past without proper gear. It's like a bunch of level 25s trying to fight a level 50 and is the same concept of the gear level and low gear level players fighting in high gear level fights. Post 50 fights are tiered by gear level instead of player level. That means that you must get to the proper gear level to have any kind of chance in the fight just like you are expected to reach a proper player level before tackling dungeons and content above your character level.
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    Last edited by Ladon; 09-20-2013 at 03:09 AM.

  4. #14
    Player ashikenshin's Avatar
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    Kyuyuna Shadowsun
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    I don't get how anyone claim to have skill but fail to do a little bit extra to get the gear. Why are you doing the content in the first place? what do you get at the end?

    This is the same as leveling for content but once you reach level 50 the only thing gaining levels is your gear. Besides it's so easy to get full ilvl 70 gear I don't know why people are still trying to defend not having it.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashikenshin View Post
    I don't get how anyone claim to have skill but fail to do a little bit extra to get the gear. Why are you doing the content in the first place? what do you get at the end?

    This is the same as leveling for content but once you reach level 50 the only thing gaining levels is your gear. Besides it's so easy to get full ilvl 70 gear I don't know why people are still trying to defend not having it.
    Compare with other game, in this game gear not give you super advantage. compare gear with skill. Skill is more important. it doesn't mean gear is not important. You need understand the logical here. I don't like people with bad attitude if saw one member in group has poor gear.
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  6. #16
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    Kender Lightbeam
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    Hyperion
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    This is true.

    However, depending on having a very well skilled player in your random group isn't worth risking. I'd rather take the guy with the better gear that they put time in for then take the guy who claims to be a great player.
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  7. #17
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    Ryuhkin Naringo
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    ...Why can't we just have both?
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  8. #18
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    Esmian Leithrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuhkin View Post
    ...Why can't we just have both?
    Cause if I understand this community correctly taking the time to make sure both my gear and personal skill are up to par makes me an elitist. =/
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  9. #19
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    Raine Jaeger
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    Balmung
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Gearing your character appropriately for the content is part of being competent at the game. If you're being carried with your iLv30 STR rings on your WHM, I doubt you're as "skilled" as you think you are.
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  10. #20
    Player ashikenshin's Avatar
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    Kyuyuna Shadowsun
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Skill comes from doing something a lot of times, practicing and stuff. You practice a lot doing a lot of AK/ifrit and to a certain extent CM. So you get gear too doing those things.

    Gear up so you match your so called skill with some gear to aid the group and not be carried.
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