Dark Devices - Exploitation

[Lucke]

Here's the general idea of the real mindset of these players:







Now I'm convinced that this has less to do with "completing a FATE as intended" and more to do with people trolling others... because they can.

I complete the FATE because of your first point. I'm 50 and want seals. But more than that, I do the FATE as it was meant to be completed. If it wants me to kill lambs, that's what I do. All the death threats I get for completing a FATE the way it was supposed to be completed just makes me laugh.

[khovel]

It's not just Dark Devices. There are a number of FATES which include a Boss and respawning mobs that can be exploited in that fashion.
Easiest solution would be to exclude low levels from all exp gains from FATE monsters if their level is -5 levels lower than the FATE.

This already happens, just not for the completion xp, which is scaled by level anyways

[Kagato]

All the death threats I get for completing a FATE the way it was supposed to be completed just makes me laugh.

And that is precisely the problem with people like you. There are numerous FATEs in that zone. The one FATE where 99% of the population wants to do something different by grinding it out, and yet you go in, fully knowing what you're doing is going to anger everyone, and you embrace it because you're not polite enough to let other players have what they want too. That is why we blacklist Lamb killers. We do it because players who willingly kill Lambs with full knowledge that no one wants them to die are basically players who only care about themselves.


So tell me, would you want to party with someone in the future who's known to put himself first? Wouldn't you get mad at the guy who abandons a dungeon run immediately after he got the item he needed? Wouldn't you get pissed at the guy in your FC who lots on the item that was your turn to get, because he needed it too but didn't care about anything the rest of your FC said?

That is why we blacklist Lamb killers. They're either trolls or they don't care about anyone else but themselves, and who wants to ever deal with that? Not many. Respect fellow players and respect will be given back. Show no respect and no respect will be given back. I am now a level 50, and if I wanted to farm GC seals, I'd still let Dark Devices play out. It's the respectful thing to do.

[Melithea]

At this point it's probably safe to say that the lack of a "fix" being implemented is a good indication that it's working as intended.

Too bad the devs can't implement an attitude adjustment patch on some of the players, though.

[Lucke]

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So hold on, you're pissed at me because I complete the FATE the way the developers intended and complete the FATE? Really? I do all the FATEs that spawn. You sound like one of the other butthurt people that are angry their little "exploit" is known.

Do what others have said: dungeons. It's much better EXP and cash.

[LuciferSam]

Here is my run in with this FATE. I'm happily questing along when I see this FATE pop up. I excitedly head to that area as it is a FATE that I have never done before and proceed to do as the FATE text says to (holy shit crazy talk I know!). I finish my turn in's and proceed happily on my way.

Lo and behold I receive a whisper telling me to pull my head out of my ass and a bunch of other garbage derogatory statements that I won't go into. Apparently I was supposed to just know that there was a way to grind a bunch of exp from that FATE, and that I was a piece of shit for not having my shout channel turned on (it was off due to gold spammers).

I have no problems with people that are trying to get as much exp as possible from this FATE. I just feel that nobody deserves the kind of treatment that I received. Same goes for the dbag trolls who are purposefully doing the turn ins just to screw with the FATE grinders.

[Toystore]

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I haven't killed lambs before, but the self righteousness on this one guy in particular makes me so sick that I'm gonna start doing it until the exp from those mobs gets nerfed, and trust me it will. I encourage others to do the same. No loss if I get blacklisted by exploiters either, they have nothing to contribute to decent gaming.

[Kagato]

Do what others have said: dungeons. It's much better EXP and cash.

No, it really isn't. If they were, everyone would be doing them. It's a common fact of life. People are going to prefer what's easier and faster for the biggest reward. People who don't do so are purposely limiting themselves for whatever reason. Also, you didn't deny anything I said in my previous post. You just resorted to "you're just butthurt." That speaks volumes on your character. You'll walk all over everyone else as long as it benefits you. You want seals? People taking too long? Lets screw over every last one of them. Gotta have your 250 seals, after all! Screw everyone else's progress, right?

I haven't killed lambs before, but the self righteousness on this one guy in particular makes me so sick that I'm gonna start doing it until the exp from those mobs gets nerfed, and trust me it will. I encourage others to do the same. No loss if I get blacklisted by exploiters either, they have nothing to contribute to decent gaming.

Now that's a term being thrown around a lot lately in regards to this matter. "Self-righteous." So basically, me sticking up for the hundreds of players Lamb-killers willingly screw over is self-righteous, but specifically stating you'll kill Lambs because of your own personal reasons despite how many people you screw over is not? Isn't that, by it's very definition, self-righteous?

It's a matter of being respectful to other players. If you're only in it for yourself, then why would anyone trust you with anything in this game?

[Lucke]

Now that's a term being thrown around a lot lately in regards to this matter. "Self-righteous." So basically, me sticking up for the hundreds of players Lamb-killers willingly screw over is self-righteous, but specifically stating you'll kill Lambs because of your own personal reasons despite how many people you screw over is not? Isn't that, by it's very definition, self-righteous?

You wanna talk about respect? That's rich. The amount of asinine, destructive, and out-right rudeness I receive when I complete the FATE as it was meant to be done is totally disrespectful. Oh, but this doesn't include you of course...

[CrimsonJenn]

Whoa haven't checked on this in a while seems its become a battleground since i was away, so i'm gonna put my 2 cents in as i go down the line here. The fact that 99% of the population wants to do it a certain way that deviates from the primary objective is proof that its being exploited. Next up we have the fact that it hasn't been fixed, they have bigger problems on their plates than to deal with a small grind exploit atm it'll be fixed once they have fewer issues with the servers and goldsellers most likely. As always tho try and keep it civil or at least try to be constructive. =D And yes gigarit you are indeed exploiting them. Tho exploitation has its place in our lives as gamers and as human beings, it only becomes a problem when done in excess. =P