Is anyone annoyed by the HUGE number of people using bots on this game?

[Peregrine]

There are so many ways to look at this.. I mean, for one, both sides of the argument have to realize that anything a bot can do, you can do.

The argument lies on who actually plays legit? Why does it matter so much? You play your own character, the bots shouldn't effect you. The fact is that you are simply jealous that the player behind that bot does not have to sit through tedious crafting. Well, what is it that is stopping you from getting a bot of your own?

How you would feel about using a bot should bring up an important question. "Is this cheating?" Why, yes. Yes it is.

Now, think of the bigger picture. You can work on that same craft, and someday, you will have all of your classes ranked to cap, just like that bot. However, you can at least say that you got to where you were without having to cheat.

Pretty much what all of this dumbs down to is, who gives? Just play your own character and hope that someday, these bots will be discovered and banned, all of their efforts(lol effort, i know right?) will be in vain.

Society doesn't run on the punishment of the ethically bankrupt. It runs on the good faith in other people. If XIV gets the reputation of suffering these ethically bankrupt players, there will be no legitimate players left to build a real society on. We will leave.

They leech the system. Like parasites. Without us, they can't support any society as the component that erodes social fabric itself.

Ban them. Months ago. If square enix doesn't start banning cheaters, legitimate players will just quit and take with them any chance for a legitimate game. Then the botters will quit because what's the point in looking accomplished in a game where no one plays legitimately?

Again, parasites. They can't live without the integrity of other players as the standard. The only reason they cheat is because they aren't even good at this. Like a petty thug, they aren't even GOOD at stealing per se. The only reason they choose to do it is because people who are more talented and smarter than they are refuse to. If everyone cheated like they do, they'd be nobodies again.

[Kurokikaze]

So anyone else find it strange that the MMO with the most anti-botting/rmt mechanics in place is the one where the problem is the most rampant/commonplace?

This says something about the game I feel.

[Nuru]

Society doesn't run on the punishment of the ethically bankrupt. It runs on the good faith in other people. If XIV gets the reputation of suffering these ethically bankrupt players, there will be no legitimate players left to build a real society on. We will leave.

They leech the system. Like parasites.

I can't really disagree with you seeing as how i was able to get my friend a character slot a few days ago and he couldn't even find rank 10 armor that was affordable. Not sure if it was due to all of the botting or anything, its one of those scenarios where you just have no clue what is going on, or who to blame.

So anyone else find it strange that the MMO with the most anti-botting/rmt mechanics in place is the one where the problem is the most rampant/commonplace?

Kuro, think it only seems that way because there isn't much of a playerbase left. If you compare the Bot/Player ratios between this game and others, you'd most likely see that it is considerably balanced. The more populated MMOs you just don't notice as much because that is not what you are focused on.

[TheVedis]

I can't really disagree with you seeing as how i was able to get my friend a character slot a few days ago and he couldn't even find rank 10 armor that was affordable. Not sure if it was due to all of the botting or anything, its one of those scenarios where you just have no clue what is going on, or who to blame.

nah the low level gear issue is cuz you cant make money off it so no one makes it

also add the fact in you can get to 20 in a matter of hours so why get lower gear at all

[Kurokikaze]

I can't really disagree with you seeing as how i was able to get my friend a character slot a few days ago and he couldn't even find rank 10 armor that was affordable. Not sure if it was due to all of the botting or anything, its one of those scenarios where you just have no clue what is going on, or who to blame.




Kuro, think it only seems that way because there isn't much of a playerbase left. If you compare the Bot/Player ratios between this game and others, you'd most likely see that it is considerably balanced. The more populated MMOs you just don't notice as much because that is not what you are focused on.

That has something to do with the amount of gil currently in play. Nothing to do with the botting. If anything the botting should be making more supply thereby bringing the prices down.

Or did that make too much sense?

Really... The ratio is balanced? Thats why we're having this discussion right? Because the ratio of botters to legitimate players is balanced like in other games... that is why we're 19 pages deep in this stupid conversation?

[Sweetheart]

The worst thing with bots for me in FFXIV is that I can't do anything to them. Ok I reported them, but now I would like to take this spot, in other games I can pk them, or train them, heal mob etc. Here I can't get rid of them at all ://

I manage few times to take mob on my self when bot was targeting it, then some agro mob show up, start attacking bot and it went down, but to do that u will have to spend a lot of time and it's not always even possible.

I would like to ask SE, to give us some tools for fighting with bots in game as well.

[Peregrine]

This is what happens to any MMO in which there is no enforcement of the rules.
The parasites overload it. It's not the nature of the game. It's the chronicity of the no action. There's never been a modern MMO this lack-ass about botting.

It's not the game's fault. It's the developers' letting bad players take over their product.

[Kurokikaze]

This is what happens to any MMO in which there is no enforcement of the rules.
The parasites overload it.

Oh... that explains why you're still around.

[Hotohori]

Oh there are a lot more in Limsa besides the 4-5 that camp at the Hyaline. If you go to the northern islands area in limsa you will find 4-6 more making shards. There are many others scattered throughout each city and zone too 95% of the time in the same spots doing the same things, wearing the same things, not answering, not responding to you sitting on their orb, etc. If there is a special task force in this game they are not doing anything at the moment or are just really bad at what they do. =\

I found some very well hidden bots around Limsa as well on my server making shards too. In Lower Limsa, at the far stretches of the docks and passageways to where those sea gull statues are, there are a few bots working away. Also during the Easter event while in search of the spriggan, I noticed a pair of 4x Alchemists full time hasty handing shards in Cassiopeia Hollow at the far opposite corners of the map where the waters separate them from any common pathways or monsters.

[Nuru]

That has something to do with the amount of gil currently in play. Nothing to do with the botting. If anything the botting should be making more supply thereby bringing the prices down.

Or did that make too much sense?

Really... The ratio is balanced? Thats why we're having this discussion right? Because the ratio of botters to legitimate players is balanced like in other games... that is why we're 19 pages deep in this stupid conversation?

No no, that makes sense. I also mentioned that the ratio is considerably balanced. I think more botters exist in a game like WoW than they do in FFXIV, in terms of the exact number of botters, not the ratio. You can't say that FFXIV has the most Bots in any MMORPG, because that would mean that the FFXIV population would have to all be bots, and then some.

You tend to notice bots more because its such a small diminishing community.