Is anyone annoyed by the HUGE number of people using bots on this game?

[Petdo]

See... this is idiot to bring this topic up
Since anyone can blame legitimate players that have high rank that he/she are using bot.

IMO, the only thing that effect the legitimate players ( who has all the time in the world to play up to 12-18 hours a day and 7 days a week ) is that they envy the botters that just spend little RL time and can reach as high lv as they do.

For normal people who has 1-2 hours per day to play, I wonder what will effect them? cheaper mat price? easier to find mat to train skill? or 100 million gil in botter account that he still have no idea which and how to spend?

Some comment based on envy;
"They will have money to buy Super-Duper gear"... just make super duper gear come from epic quest, problem solve
"They will have 100m gil in their account" ... so what? nothing to buy
"They will flood the market with cheaper stuff" good for many people, bad for some people
"They will reach super duper high rank" so.. what effect you? =='
"They will better than me!" oh yeah, that's your real thought.

The easy way to fix botting in this game is to redesign the crafting logic to more fun and worth to play.
Right now I don't feel like fun while crafting...

Btw, there's no way to get rid of botting in MMO since ALL MMOs in market have bot. Live with it.

[Duelle]

This cannot and will NEVER happen.

Let me elaborate just to show you how leaving something like that untouched can screw up an economy.

Lineage II had a quest called the grim collector that was available all through open beta. It was the highest money-paying quest at the time, since it required you to collect pieces of a skeleton, put the skeleton together and then give it to this guy. L2 had massive lag spikes during open beta, and someone eventually figured out that if you timed it right the server would register you completing the quest multiple times (even though it's supposed to be a one-time quest). So what clans (and some RMT) did was gather people for the quest and using the lag exploit turn themselves into millionaires. If memory serves, it was something like 22K adena for the turn in, and could be registered by the server as much as 9 or 10 times because of the lag. NC Soft did nothing about the people who exploited the quest, and left everything untouched when the game launched. The result was that the economy was borked from the very beginning, with with prices for everything in then hundreds of thousands (and eventually climbed to millions). NC eventually took the quest offline for a long time, but the damage was done.

[Kurokikaze]

Let me elaborate just to show you how leaving something like that untouched can screw up an economy.

Lineage II had a quest called the grim collector that was available all through open beta. It was the highest money-paying quest at the time, since it required you to collect pieces of a skeleton, put the skeleton together and then give it to this guy. L2 had massive lag spikes during open beta, and someone eventually figured out that if you timed it right the server would register you completing the quest multiple times (even though it's supposed to be a one-time quest). So what clans (and some RMT) did was gather people for the quest and using the lag exploit turn themselves into millionaires. If memory serves, it was something like 22K adena for the turn in, and could be registered by the server as much as 9 or 10 times because of the lag. NC Soft did nothing about the people who exploited the quest, and left everything untouched when the game launched. The result was that the economy was borked from the very beginning, with with prices for everything in then hundreds of thousands (and eventually climbed to millions). NC eventually took the quest offline for a long time, but the damage was done.

I don't have to read what you said. I neither care nor is it an option.

Yoshi-P has explicitly said that he will NOT do this as it would harm the game more than hurt it. You don't take a shit on the few people still playing your game.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine has mining at 48 AND a 50 crafting job. I think its safe to say that he bots and is just trying to save face.

Don't forget the miner. TYVM.
Not going to lie. I'm out of interesting stuff on Netflix.
But I was there for every single synth.

[Duelle]

I don't have to read what you said. I neither care nor is it an option.

Then you refuse to learn from the past (in before "this is totally different!!!1!one"). I knew it would ruffle a few feathers, though, so fair enough.

[Peregrine]

Link me to this shield skill bot you speak of, I MUST HAVE DEFLECTION. Oh wait I already have 50 Sentinel, I must have botted that. Kurozikaze's sarcasm apparently went right over your head.

I'm waiting for a mod to close this thread down just like they closed the last thread that Peregrin frequented. He's becoming more of an outcast to this community than Belgian and at a more alarming rate. Peregrine please just stop talking so threads stop getting deleted.

Oh I'm sorry, what community is this? The bot-harborers league?
Mind what side you're actually on in these topics, bro.

I post about topics that are big PROBLEMS. If those PROBLEMS happen to show up themselves and get the thread locked, then at least there is attention on the PROBLEM.

[Kurokikaze]

Don't forget the miner. TYVM.
Not going to lie. I'm out of interesting stuff on Netflix.
But I was there for every single synth.

I find that hard to believe. Only someone so against bots would have something to hide. Like politicians that are against gay marriage but are actually in the closet.

Do you see what this thread started? lol

[Taru_TwoPointO]

It all comes down to moral standards and if you want to put up with it or not. Logic and common sense dictates what is right and wrong for the majority of the population on this planet. Cheating is wrong. It should be dealt with.

[Onidemon]

Poor excuse to justify cheating. If it's boring don't do it. If no one does it, they'll improve it. Your mentality makes it worse, since cheating fools SE into thinking people actually craft.

You shoot yourself in the foot with that kind of logic.

You basically just said that one of the better aspects of the game...needs an overhaul like everything else.

If that's the case fine. But if that's the case your ass should not be crafting if it's your decision that it's terrible. So many players will give that excuse for anything, as justification to cheat. Same way with pirating.

Ohhhh welll that product wasn't up to my standards, so I stole it. If it were better, I would have paid for it.
Ohhhh well crafting isn't up to my standards, so I botted it. If it were better, I would have actually done it.

Pa-thetic. What a sense of self-entitlement these people must have. If you don't like it, don't play it. Don't watch it. Don't do it. Ohhhh but they deserve to. They earned that R50 crafting job...somehow. one way or another. In their heads.

Well i am not encouraging botting and i never done it myself. I'm just saying that we see a lot of these probably because crafting is such a pain in this game. If something is fun i am sure you would rather do it yourself instead of seeing a program do it.

other games like WOW make crafting simple. You purcahse a recipe, the materials and then open your recipe book and hit a button to produce 1 item or hit another button to automatically produce the max possible based on the amount of materials you have.

SE had a good idea to try to make it more interactive and fun but it turn out really bad. It is way too slow, too much work and feels like a chore. If at least crafting an item would always result in a bigger amount of item at the end (i know some items will produce 5 or 12 etc items at the end but i would do that for every single thing you craft) and reward more exp to make leveling crafting faster and more rewarding.

Every aspect of the game should be fun. We play video games to have fun right? We dont play to feel like we are doing work.

[Richard]

Oh I'm sorry, what community is this? The bot-harborers league?
Mind what side you're actually on in these topics, bro.

I post about topics that are big PROBLEMS. If those PROBLEMS happen to show up themselves and get the thread locked, then at least there is attention on the PROBLEM.

The forum community that is actually larger than the in-game community? Not that the community (or SE for that matter) really cares for one little white knight trying to convince everyone in each thread that his opinion is so righteous to the cause of making the game better. You are the insignificant flea on the back of a larger beast. Get over yourself.

My stance on botting? Neutral. SE states botting is wrong so doing so, would put yourself at higher risk obviously. Do what ever the hell you want as long as you accept the risk involved and if you get banned - deal with it. Botting at the moment is making no dent on the economy what-so-ever.

You botted to 50 in every DoH? CONGRATS now you still have to go out and farm all those materials to spam your HQ3 attempts for profit- just like any other player.

You now have the option to get the best guildmark abilities maybe a WEEK before a normal human input crafter headed to R20. OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING.

There is a FSH bot that you always see in LL 24/7? CONGRATS you can do the same because they hit 250 catch Fatigue wall in 3 hours just like you would have!

You radar/claim bot against Dodore and other world spawn NMs? CONGRATS they respawn 3-4 times per night depending on how fast they are killed. It is all irrelevant.

Bot OR Don't Bot you are not affecting the game at it's current state so get the **** over it.