Let's DF Castrum to Finish Story!

[LiadansWhisper]

I just did my end of story runs with people from my server. We had a whole crew all watching cutscenes together.

I think you shouldn't skip your cutscenes if it's the end of the story for you. It isn't fair that you don't get to see everything otherwise. Honestly wish they'd implement a way to freeze everyone in place (like at the start of the instance) to keep people from rushing ahead and screwing other party members.

[Kyro]

Wut? People going into a Duty Finder group and expecting them to speed run? Since when is ''speed running'' the normal thing to do in dungeons? If you want to speed run or anything other than going through it normally, then get a group together to do it. Don't try and force people off Duty Finder or expecting them to do it.


So basically: If you go into a Duty Finder'd group then you do it normally, that's how it is. If you don't want to do it the normal way then look for people who want to do it whatever way, instead of using the Duty Finder. It should be common sense. >.>

[LiadansWhisper]

Wut? People going into a Duty Finder group and expecting them to speed run? Since when is ''speed running'' the normal thing to do in dungeons? If you want to speed run or anything other than going through it normally, then get a group together to do it. Don't try and force people off Duty Finder or expecting them to do it.

If you go into a Duty Finder'd group then you do it normally, that's how it is. If you don't want to do it the normal way then look for people who want to do it whatever way, instead of using the Duty Finder. It should be common sense. >.>

There's nothing wrong with speed runs. I've not yet run into a group that was jerkish about someone finishing their story. It's win-win either way - because the speed runs are generally by more experience, more geared players, making it much easier on the new person who is sort of fumbling along.

[Rowln]

I like to let ppl watch their CS and help newer tanks learn the encounters. I don't mind speed runs either but so many just HATE on ppl who are doing it for the first time, it's just deplorable. Lucky me as a tank I do have some pull on how things will go, but the things I have been called for helping and letting ppl watch their CS's makes me want to never touch that DF, which is a shame cause I love tanking and helping people.

[ChiefCurrahee]

I had a similar experience when I ran CM for my firs time. 4 people queued together to do a speed run, I watched them speed run to their deaths as I was a WHM, they couldn't make it too far w/o me.

So I continue to queue every once in a while to rerun the dungeon. If I know there is a person that is new to CM I hang back with them and smile when I see the HP bars of all the impatient DBs steadily drop and not recover

Like the OP said, If you insist to speed run, do it with 8 members of your free company, If you rely of the duty finder to fill in your group, don't be a douche and get angry at people when they want to watch the CS. Let them enjoy the game.

[Mazley]

I had a similar experience when I ran CM for my firs time. 4 people queued together to do a speed run, I watched them speed run to their deaths as I was a WHM, they couldn't make it too far w/o me.

So I continue to queue every once in a while to rerun the dungeon. If I know there is a person that is new to CM I hang back with them and smile when I see the HP bars of all the impatient DBs steadily drop and not recover

Like the OP said, If you insist to speed run, do it with 8 members of your free company, If you rely of the duty finder to fill in your group, don't be a douche and get angry at people when they want to watch the CS. Let them enjoy the game.

exactly what i am going to do when i hit 50 as a tank

[Fuddy]

What they really need to do is lock everybody down while somebody is watching a cutscene so others can't progress until everyone is ready. The speed-runners can cry all they want, but that will end this stupid debate and it's the right thing to do. Forcing people to have some patience is not a bad thing. You could argue that if they do it then you're wasting a lot of time but in that case the problem is really the core mechanic of how you get the tombstones and that is what should be complained about. Not the lack of ability to force people to skip story.

[Onimal]

Last night we did a CM Speed run with 1 paladin, 2 WHM, 1 SCH, 4 SMN. Paladin was so slow that SMN's called up titans and we just went to town. I don't use DF for much these days, too many people not willing to listen or join Vent/TeamSpeak/Mumble.

What is annoying, is that if you're fighting a mob, and a player triggers a cut scene, the MOB KEEPS KILLING YOU. COME ON SE.

You should be able to tell the program to disable all cut scenes if you've seen them already.

[Keres]

I don't use DF for much these days, too many people not willing to listen or join Vent/TeamSpeak/Mumble.

You expect people to join your voice chat channel in order to do Meridianum?

[Yshnal]

I just did Castrum today and I have to agree. "Luckily" no one from that group got angry at me in the chat, but anyway it has been the worst experience that I've had in ARR to date.

I said that it was my first time before starting, and I never stopped watching my cutscenes, anyway, but after finishing each one of them the group was miles ahead already, to the point that I even had cutscenes chain themselves. The only one that helped me a bit and waited for me (or came back so that I didn't pull all the crap that they left on the way) was the other tank, and he explained me the tactics. Even so, I didn't even have time to ask any questions or ask for clarification, as as soon it was explained they pulled and I had to rush into the midst of battle (and I know that I did a terribad job partly because of that, because of being my first time, and because I was nervous for everything, but at least we didn't wipe). Stressful as hell, and even if I watched the cutscenes I didn't enjoy them at all because I knew what I would find after finishing them.

Note that I was the second tank. I don't even want to know what would had happened if I had been just a dps, and from what I read that was not their first speedrun that afternoon, too, so I assume I wasn't the first one to suffer that same group. I'll never, NEVER, do that. If someone says that they're new I'm not going to move my ass from where they stand until they end doing whatever they need to do in the dungeon.

But well, I have put Praetorium on hold just because of that run, and I've been levelling other jobs since then. I'm afraid, and not willing, to find myself into another speedrun group u.u

Edit: We finished the dungeon with 80 something minutes left, by the way.