Loose use of the term "eliteist"

[Jynxii]

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I actually find your post incredibly fascinating, as it actually took me back to a scenario earlier in Garuda that wasn't going so great. I was mismanaging my mana, and had another Scholar go in a tirade about "The Pride of the Scholar", how one should never go oom, and how I was making Scholars look bad. This was also the reason we were wiping, and definitely not because everyone was standing in front of Garuda as she was being repositioned after adds spawned.

Suffice to say I altered my HUD so I could watch it more closely, and am definitely paying more attention to it now, but that could have been achieved by simply mentioning it instead of raving and driving half the raid group away. I think it may have been because one of the other members of the group asked if she was actually healing (oh no, not the elitist ego!) as she was always on full mana. In the end, the group broke up, and then next run we completed it without problems and the SCH book dropped. :P

[DwightParkman]

I agree with OP.

Western Progression has single handed-ly killed mmorpgs.

And the biggest truth of it all is, because of how lazy people have become.

since when did being a good gamer that tries his very best suddenly become the hyperbole term Elitist?

This is no different then saying people that are hard workers at their job, and are good at it are assholes who dont deserve their job, but instead the lazy high schoolers that spit in peoples foods for fun deserve the job.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

its simple really, everything up to HM titan is Pug/gear open a lot of these ppl fate grinded to 50 with very little core knowledge of their job or ppl have been carried to HM titan. I do think they should consider grinding a day or two on CM and AK to at least acquire a few choice DL gear and accessories just to be better prepared and even a few HM ifrit and garuda runs for weapon drops will help tremendously but getting on them for not isn't your place, join a FC and work together with ppl that are well geared for the fight.

its a PUG, you get what you get!

[Lelouch001]

its simple really, everything up to HM titan is Pug/gear open a lot of these ppl fate grinded to 50 with very little core knowledge of their job or ppl have been carried to HM titan. I do think they should consider grinding a day or two on CM and AK to at least acquire a few choice DL gear and accessories just to be better prepared and even a few HM ifrit and garuda runs for weapon drops will help tremendously but getting on them for not isn't your place, join a FC and work together with ppl that are well geared for the fight.

its a PUG, you get what you get!

It being a PUG doesn't make the people who go into end game with AF1 and bad accessory's any less of a lazy fool.

[Kirschey]

First of all, I don't take orders on what words I should use from someone who thinks the words 'loose' and 'lose' are interchangeable.

Just sayin' "Loose use of the term" is correct. People are using the term loosely.

[Jynxii]

its a PUG, you get what you get!

So because it is a pug, you are allowed to potentially screw over 7 other players? The thing is, depending on the content, when it is one 'lazy/casual' person, and the 7 others are 'elitists', it isn't as big a deal, but what happens when 8 'lazy/casual' people end up in the same pug? "Oh shit guys, this won't work, better luck getting into a geared group next time!"

Some people are uninformed and stumble into the content unprepared because they don't know better. Gear checks will stop this as the game will say "No, you are not ready, go farm more tomestones". Some people intentionally attempt to 'slip in' unnoticed to get carried through cotent, while others feel that there shouldn't be any gear requirements and they should be able to do whatever they want. These latter two categories are the problem, and it is a poor attitude just as much as when 'elitist' act superior and try to talk down these players.

It really does go both ways, they're just on opposite ends of the scale. One group wants to succeed and puts in the time to achieve their goals, while the other wants to clear content because they are entitled to doing so; which group is better? And which group is the one demonized versus the one that is victimized?

These are obviously two very extreme cases on either end of the continuum, with many different types of players in between, but hopefully I managed to make my point.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

It being a PUG doesn't make the people who go into end game with AF1 and bad accessory's any less of a lazy fool.

indeed, "THEY" are a lazy fool, this however has nothing to do with you especially if you choose to PUG a gear check fight like HM Titan. Last i checked you can't tell others how to play a game they are paying for! srry just don't work like that -_-

i happen to be full DL and i understand if enter a PUG i may be with ppl that are undergeared, i however wont bash them about it. SE has to be the ones to make content ilvl required not you with your ideal that someone at said content stage can't play it.

So should they be better prepared? (Yes) Do you have the right to bash them cuz they aren't? (No)

you choose to PUG deal with it or play the fight with your FC!

[Crashar]

So if you're playing American football (a game) and you stop the quarterback on your team from catching the ball, and then begin drippling it, and go for a slam dunk, while trying to run bases that don't exist for a home-run, and you're kicked off of the team, is the person who kicked you an elitist?

I'm just curious how you turn "just play the game" into "you're not good enough"

Fixed for you.

Though on topic, all I can say is that if an under geared player joins an instance then just do what any good person would do and simply explain to them what they need before doing it, I joined a garuda HM instance when I was undergeared and I had one of the guys there tell me I'm undergeared and simply left it as that, it would of been nice to tell me what I needed, instead what he did begin to do though was agro the boss just to get everyone killed.

[tukuiPat]

I agree with OP.

Western Progression has single handed-ly killed mmorpgs.

And the biggest truth of it all is, because of how lazy people have become.

since when did being a good gamer that tries his very best suddenly become the hyperbole term Elitist?

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I wouldn't call him an elitist, I'd call him an idiot for the fact skill =/= gear, and his posts are all about gear. I've run into plenty of idiots in MMOs with rather high end gear that couldn't do their job in the raid/instance then me because they lacked the skill factor. Gear helps, it is not the almighty factor that prevents something from not happening if people lack any form of skill.

My point is, Skill =/= Gear and Skill > Gear. A top-tiered geared who lacked skill would be outperformed by a mid-tiered played who doesn't lack skill. This is fact from every MMO that came before this one.

[AngryNixon]

To be told and to be screwed are two different things. To leave asap without saying anything is also bad too. Some ppl are just too impatient and bad mannered.

* I like the ppl talking during this timing though. More calm and well mannered.

It's more about the lesser of evils. Leaving without saying anything is preferable to losing your shit with people. Neither is perfect. Sure people are impatient and bad mannered, that's life, but even those people can find a half-way point between the perfectly well mannered person they'll never be (I don't think they necessarily need to be, they're free to be who they are) and going on a tirade at someone (which they aren't entitled to do). It's a coping mechanism, taking a step back, walking away, etc... It's not perfect but if someone would rather just drop then say anything further or negative, I can live with that decision.