IMO, Titan HM is the most poorly planned progression point in the game right now

[Drakan]

So yes, the very first replier got it right. If you get your first relic by beating Titan, congratulations! Now, there is 8 more jobs that you may or may not want to level up. If they are geared, you can get to Titan within a day with a good party. The problem is that our second, third and fourth jobs are never as well equipped than our fiirst one.

I would've been very happy of getting Titan's lance for my drg while doing my BLM relic, but whm staff and pld shield dropped, and they went to other ppl in the FC for their 2nd class.

To get a relic, you need to be on the job of that relic to beat titan. If you've spent all your philosophy on your first job, your second is probably very low on darklight gear, meaning you can forget about beating Titan with a whole party with that sort of gear, so, chances are you will be taking people through 1 by 1 or 2 by 2 using your main jobs on the other slots.

Oh, and wait until 8 out of the 12 ppl you play the most with say: i'm doing brd next (because we all know brd is broken and waaaaay too powerful). Trust me, you will be redoing this on your main job a lot...

[SteelyHermit]

Actually most people DO bother to level more than one jobs, and you'd have a much better experience doing this anyway.

Leveling a job and maxing out its gear through philosophy token grinding are two different things.

[Cailae]

Fairy is pretty useless in fights with high damage, her buffs don't make up for the lack of proshell and stoneskin and half the time they don't even hit anyone when they do go off.

Looks like I am guna have to also abandon my SCH relic and do the WHM one as well.

Lustrate is awesome I will admit that, but if your fairy is dead you have lost half your heals and then its a choice between do I use swiftcast on fairy or save it to raise someone :S (WHM doesn't have to deal with this)

If your fairy is missing people you are suffering from poor positioning. If everyone is around the yellow circle in the middle placing your fairy in the center her aoe heal will hit everyone. You need to be on top of placing her. The same on any high-damage fight. Scholars answer to proshell and stoneskin are Virus, eye for an eye, and Sacred Soil. Sacred Soil alone is a huge amount of mitigation, when used at the proper time, with Titan this is at his jumps and most importantly after heart phase during Tumult.

If your fairy is dead, you should have been faster on using sustain or positioned her better. My fairy is never dead, and thus I never have to make that decision.

i loved the titan fight, its really nice and whoever says the fight is broken needs to check their internet or ISP. also for those saying that SCH is not viable you dont know what you are talking about. i have done the fight with 1 SCH and 1 WHM and it was the best run ever the shield is so helpful in P3, i would never run 2 WHM if i can get a SCH instead.

This.

[Reika]

About the fairy.... don't be a wimpy scholar and stand 10 miles away from other people or the boss, especially if you're not experienced with placing your fairy in tactically advantageous positions and keep just let it follow you around. The only attack of titans that will stright kill your fairy is the frontal swipe attack that is meant for the tank. Almost every boss fight has attacks that may kill you instantly, but wont scratch your fairy, and then others *the ones that shouldn't hit your fairy ever* that will murder it.

Titan is not one of those fights where you need to stand all the way on the other side of the platform.

[Trikki]

I've killed titan many times helping various people. The fight is tuned fine. As a whm, the best and easiest runs are always healed whm/sch. whm/whm is not fun, at all. It's possible, but a lot more work than it needs to be.

[Bahram]

The result? A fight nobody wants to do unless they need it still and close to literal inability to progress through it in duty finder in most cases. Yeah, I'm bitter.

This is actually a pretty good argument right here. I haven't reached that point, but when you frame it in such a way that makes perfect sense and I haven't seen a worthy counterpoint. There might be something else they could add to his loot table in order to make the fight more worthwhile, but what? I don't think they'd want to give out Darklight (even though it's level appropriate) since it seems like the Tomestone system is designed specifically to keep people from getting geared up in 3 sessions. But yeah, they should really investigate how to fix this. I can understand your frustration.

[rubina]

I think the fight will go a lot smoother once they implement the gear check for DF instances. I spent the time and effort in upgrading all my gear for Titan only to be hindered by under geared players. They should be embarrassed in stepping foot into Garuda or Titan HM with L.23-L40 gear. Yes we had a Dragoon wearing a a few pieces of gear ranging from 23-39.

[Shiyo]

Fairy is pretty useless in fights with high damage, her buffs don't make up for the lack of proshell and stoneskin and half the time they don't even hit anyone when they do go off.

Looks like I am guna have to also abandon my SCH relic and do the WHM one as well.

Lustrate is awesome I will admit that, but if your fairy is dead you have lost half your heals and then its a choice between do I use swiftcast on fairy or save it to raise someone :S (WHM doesn't have to deal with this)

My fairy has never died on titan, fairies take about 90-95% less damage from all AOE in the game. I cleared titan on my first night of attempting it with a group who's never done titan before and got relic on my SCH. SCH+WHM is pretty much better than WHM + WHM in every situation in the game currently.

If you cannot do titan on your SCH, a fight where SCH is fantastic and shines, it's a personal skill problem, not a class problem.

I think the fight will go a lot smoother once they implement the gear check for DF instances. I spent the time and effort in upgrading all my gear for Titan only to be hindered by under geared players. They should be embarrassed in stepping foot into Garuda or Titan HM with L.23-L40 gear. Yes we had a Dragoon wearing a a few pieces of gear ranging from 23-39.

Fight isn't doable with 2 tanks unless you heavily outgear the dungeon, why are you relying on DF to do challenging content?

[Kairgon]

Fight isn't doable with 2 tanks unless you heavily outgear the dungeon, why are you relying on DF to do challenging content?

I think it's doable, I actually had titan fight by two different Duty finder where everyone wasnt really outgear, just some half darklight piece and stuff, to get one point where he was 20% before all of us wiped due to healers cant keeping us up one of them was from Aus. And other one was just DPS kept get hit.

You just have to hope that everyone is putting all out for it, otherwise its gonna be MIRACLE to kill him on DF... Which I'm tryin to xD

[Shiyo]

I think it's doable, I actually had titan fight by two different Duty finder where everyone wasnt really outgear, just some half darklight piece and stuff, to get one point where he was 20% before all of us wiped due to healers cant keeping us up one of them was from Aus. And other one was just DPS kept get hit.

You just have to hope that everyone is putting all out for it, otherwise its gonna be MIRACLE to kill him on DF... Which I'm tryin to xD

You got it 20% then healers couldn't keep you alive BECAUSE you had two tanks. It has a soft rage mechanic where it keeps doing 1 more stomp after every stomp until it's eventually unhealable damge with 2 healers, which is why you bring 3 or 5 DPS.

they should have made it so titan would not be doable over the duty finder. end of story.

2x PUGs ifrit Garuda
2x for FCs, Server"Pugs", Titan and Coil of Bahamut

in 2.1 u get
24man crystal tower duty finder anyways / Pugs
+ new "extreme" modes for the 3 primal fights / FCs
+ 2 Hardmode Dungeons (labyrinth??)

I agree, but for some reason SE's priorities seem to be Duty finder > FC/linkshell/same server groups. They want to focus on the duty finder as much as possible, putting same server/FC/LS runs secondary, makes on sense.