Please buff Succor.

[Draemos]

succor is joke compared to medica2

That's because succor is Medica I's equivalent. Your fairie AoE is comparative to Medica II. And yes, it's worse... But Medica II is really the main benefit of playing a WHm over a SCH.

[Crescent_Dusk]

That's because succor is Medica I's equivalent. Your fairie AoE is comparative to Medica II. And yes, it's worse... But Medica II is really the main benefit of playing a WHm over a SCH.

No. Faerie is equivalent to regen, except it's got a long ass cd because it's aoe instead. It has no upfront healing.

[Draemos]

No. Faerie is equivalent to regen, except it's got a long ass cd because it's aoe instead. It has no upfront healing.

Ugh..

Embrace = regen (100 vs 50 potency per second)
Whispering dawn = Medica 2 (700 potency, 60s cd, no MP, no threat VS 700 potency, no cooldown, massive threat, 450ish MP)

Medica 2 is obviously better for lots of throughput, but it's also the only healing spell that's better than the SCH equivalent. There also aren't a whole lot of fights(very few actually) you cast more than a single Medica II per minute, although they are certainly ramping up at endgame. But those are all 8 mans and your likely to have a WHM partner anyway.

[peaches]

Yes, to an extent. Regen ticks every 3 seconds, where as if you leave your fairy alone, she won't heal until 70-80% health. You have to manually spam it to get the full effect out of it. And Whispering Dawn COULD almost count as Medica 2, IF you could tell your fairy not to use any ability except Embrace. Half the time when I run into a battle and stand just behind the tank, she won't be anywhere near me. She will be at the entrance where she was standing when combat initiated, casting Whispering Dawn with nobody around. With Medica you don't have to worry about any of that - its around you. Maybe like I said if you could turn off auto cast for Whispering Dawn and cast it yourself when you properly place her, OR even better, if casting it made the AoE around you instead of her.

[Draemos]

Snip.

There are a couple threads where people explain how to get around exactly what your complaining about. I recall reading some on reddit as well. One of the modes will basically make it so she actively uses only embrace and nothing else(and you can manually use her other abilities), but I don't recall the name. Granted it shouldn't be such a pain in the ass nor so unintuitive.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Ugh..

Embrace = regen (100 vs 50 potency per second)
Whispering dawn = Medica 2 (700 potency, 60s cd, no MP, no threat VS 700 potency, no cooldown, massive threat, 450ish MP)

Medica 2 is obviously better for lots of throughput, but it's also the only healing spell that's better than the SCH equivalent. There also aren't a whole lot of fights(very few actually) you cast more than a single Medica II per minute, although they are certainly ramping up at endgame. But those are all 8 mans and your likely to have a WHM partner anyway.

No, Embrace is what you use to match freecure procs throughout the fight and the whm's ability to spike abilities. If your tank falls below a threshold and you need to spike him up before he gets gibbed, for example with a Triumvirate in a single tank hydra fight, the whm will be able to top it off much more effectively with a Cure II spike (which Adloquium really doesn't match and is much more less mp efficient).

Whispering Down is a 60 sec cd, with NO UPFRONT HEALING. NO UPFRONT HEALING.

If a group gets cleaved in garuda or a group of people get hit by titan's aoe, a aoe lesser regen over a longer period of time will never be as powerful as frontloaded hp restoration with a HoT component.
It's also why blm's are taken over summoners in many groups, because the ability to frontload in encounters where spike mechanism matter will turn out for the better even if you have greater potency spells spread over a much larger period of time.

And in Titan HM if you don't have a whm healer you're going to be in a world of hurt, going forward with coil. Not having a scholar is much less of a hit than not having a whm, because so far in most encounters what sets healers behind is aoe damage, and whm's patch that up the best. Tank-healing is hardly an issue in most encounters, it's forcing healers to use globals on group damage that can sink an encounter, and whm's have the best tools for that. More importantly, a whm can slap regen on a group of people and they don't have to worry about being in range of the fairy . The whm's output doesn't die a miserable death when lethal debuffs applied by a boss also target the pet and happen to 2-shot the pet (I'm looking at you, hydra ball of fire debuff when you're curing a tank after a Triumvirate and can't issue reposition commands while casting). Repositioning the pet only helps so much.

[Draemos]

No, Embrace is what you use to match freecure procs throughout the fight and the whm's ability to spike abilities.

Freecure procs are not healing throughput and I can't magically make them appear when I need to deal with spike damage, they're random and they last 15 seconds. They're purely an efficiency mechanic. Compare spells based on throughput and Regen and Embrace are almost the exact same, difference is embrace is free and Regen can be rolled on multiple targets.

Whispering Down is a 60 sec cd, with NO UPFRONT HEALING. NO UPFRONT HEALING.

Irrelevant. You can cast a Whispering Dawn and a Succor at the same time if you need upfront healing. The throughput is the same for Whispering Dawn and Medica II. If you have an issue with Whispering Dawn being free-cast by your pet, then you need to petition about pet control being improved, not trying to compare Medica II and Succor.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Freecure procs are not healing throughput and I can't magically make them appear when I need to deal with spike damage, they're random and they last 15 seconds. They're purely an efficiency mechanic. Compare spells based on throughput and Regen and Embrace are almost the exact same, difference is embrace is free and Regen can be rolled on multiple targets.



Irrelevant. You can cast a Whispering Dawn and a Succor at the same time if you need upfront healing. The throughput is the same for Whispering Dawn and Medica II. If you have an issue with Whispering Dawn being free-cast by your pet, then you need to petition about pet control being improved, not trying to compare Medica II and Succor.

The instance in which you need to aoe heal happens a lot more than every 60 seconds; stop being naive. Do Titan HM with just scholars and see how well the Tumults are handled.

A 15 duration proc that happens fairly often at the rate you use cure I can easily be used to absorb spike damage. It's just like a BLM holding on to Firestarter procs when he expects a burst phase.

[Draemos]

The instance in which you need to aoe heal happens a lot more than every 60 seconds; stop being naive. Do Titan HM with just scholars and see how well the Tumults are handled.

A 15 duration proc that happens fairly often at the rate you use cure I can easily be used to absorb spike damage. It's just like a BLM holding on to Firestarter procs when he expects a burst phase.

You have a 35% uptime on Whispering Dawn for heavy AoE healing moments. For the other 65% of the time you can cast Succor and spotheal to your heart's content. How many fights actually REQUIRE that much consistent AoE healing? Maybe the last phases of Garruda, but it's certainly nothing beyond the capabilities of a SCH. HM Titan is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. maybe something in Bahamut after turn 2, I haven't really taken a hard look beyond that.

Titan is a major AoE healing fight the likes of which isn't seen prior to that point in the game, and it caters perfectly to the WHM strengths and the SCHs weakness. SCHs keep pointing at Titan like it's some sort of litmus test for game balance. How many fights are better served or equal by having a SCH as your healer? Damn near all the light party content is due to their flexibility. The ones that favor WHM are generally because of some ill thought out mechanic that doesn't consider pets. I know it sucks because Titan is the major roadblock to getting the Relic weapon and opening up Bahamut's; but it's still only one fight. Regardless, it's very rare I cast more than a Medica II more than once per minute on 90% of the bosses in game.

No, it's nothing like holding a Firestarter proc. Firestarter actually increases throughput damage by letting the Mage stay in his fire tree longer (thus more damage) as well as instant casting a fire spell. How exactly do you think Freecure works? a Cure II freecure does nothing different than a regular Cure II; it's just costs no MP. The free-cure proc isn't something you hold onto to deal with spike damage, it's no more effective than a regular Cure II. You spend it at the first reasonable point that isn't going to result in an overheal. . Our mana situation is not as stable as yours, we need to get every ounce of healing out of our free cure II as possible. It's the same reason we generally use our Shroud purely as a mana tool instead of an aggro dump. Freecure is just a bonus thing when it procs at convenient times, you absolutely do not factor it into the way you deal with spike damage. When the tank is spiking or you are behind, you use Cure II regardless of what's going on with Freecure... same as SCHs and Adlo. We also having nothing near as convenient as Lustrate, our oh shit's on a 5 minute cooldown and is saved for only the most dire of circumstances. I can only dream about how convenient it must be to be able to rapid fire off a 600-1200+ instant heal while on the move. Of course I wouldn't think to rage about Benedictions inadequacy in comparison, because that's a SCH strength and I'm perfectly fine with that.