Should I expect griefers on a regular basis at end-game?

[Gramul]

And the people who said Duty Finder would lead to a bad community where called paranoid whiners.

Lets get in a voting/reputation system.

[rabbitzero]

And the people who said Duty Finder would lead to a bad community where called paranoid whiners.

Lets get in a voting/reputation system.

They are, because this went on in games without finders. Take off the rose colored glasses, and remember what it was really like. In all my runs i've had two bad encounters. Way more enjoyable ones. I can also see a vote/rep system being terribly abused. Free company picks up some pugs on runs, if the pug wins gear, vote him down. Not fully geared? Vote down. Etc.

[Gramul]

They are, because this went on in games without finders. Take off the rosssssse colored glasssssssessssss, and remember what it was really like.

Don't give me that. I've played all sorts of MMOs. On a single server you tend to gain a reputation. Hell, you could even see it in 1.0.

[Asael]

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It's a great idea on paper, but in reality it doesn't really work that well. I think Zero makes a very realistic and valid point. People will abuse reputation features, leaderboards, etc. Not to mention people who know how to utilize data tamper tools. Someone doesn't like you for what ever reason your reputation just went out the window.

For example, go take a look at the BF3 leaderboards. You really think people have 3.6 million meter headshots? No, they just used data tampering and wrote in some absurd numbers. Same thing can and most likely will happen here should a reputation system be implemented. You would have to make a pretty sophisticated system in order for such a feature to work the way it was meant to be used. I like the idea and would love to see it, but it's too bad people will inevitably abuse such a feature.

[Gramul]

Foom*

What do you think would be a better alternative?
People really like the convenience of the duty finder, but without any accountability, anyone an come in and just be an ass without major consequence.

[Asael]

What do you think would be a better alternative?
People really like the convenience of the duty finder, but without any accountability, anyone an come in and just be an ass without major consequence.

Don't really know, man. I wish I had an answer for you, but yes I agree. It would be nice if we could hold people accountable for being schmucks, but that's just the world we live in I guess. The best thing I can think of for people to do is to get into a decent ls/fc that tailors to that individual and group together. If you do that and find the right group for you the things others say and do won't really matter anymore. Wish I had a better answer than this, but I don't. You know the saying, an average person + an audience + anonymity = total f*#kwad.

[Zakalwe]

What do you think would be a better alternative?
People really like the convenience of the duty finder, but without any accountability, anyone an come in and just be an ass without major consequence.

Easy. Make it world specific.

[Zfz]

Don't give me that. I've played all sorts of MMOs. On a single server you tend to gain a reputation. Hell, you could even see it in 1.0.

Definitely. Back in WoW before the Dungeon Finder, we used to screen every pug applicant among our raid members before admitting anyone. One whiff of bad rep and you don't get a place. But now all that is not possible because most people use the auto-match and you never know how a person will behave until you've set foot int he instance.

[Tupsi]

They are, because this went on in games without finders. Take off the rose colored glasses, and remember what it was really like. In all my runs i've had two bad encounters. Way more enjoyable ones. I can also see a vote/rep system being terribly abused. Free company picks up some pugs on runs, if the pug wins gear, vote him down. Not fully geared? Vote down. Etc.

It was far less common in games without it because Duty Finders, especially cross world (realm) lets you be a complete jerk without repercussion unless you happen to be on the same world. In XI for example, you had your share, but those people usually end up hopping servers or getting ran off a server for their behavior it wasn't tolerated.

[RynaultB]

Lets get in a voting/reputation system.

I like the sound of this, not sure how it would be implemented. But on the other side I can see how it can be abused as well by people. Someone whose good and happens to upset griefers and they down vote the good person.

And before anyone says anything this kind of stuff is in RL, look at the celebrities, everyone knows whose crazy nice or an A-hole. Its all over the internet.