People WHO WANT A REAL SUMMONER pet class

[Sonkn]

I've read through the first few pages of this thread and all I read is people bickering like school bullies. Not that you need to not do this, shouldn't do it, and with that you're all WRONG! When I say WRONG I mean completely wrong, drinking out of public toilet wrong, and/or licking the underside of an elementary child's desk that loves to wipe every bit of itself there, you remember this individual was in your home room(s). If that is not a clear enough picture for you. You probably don't even know that every single person you meet in your life is so proud of you, because damn if you're going to be able to be a complete functioning human, maybe a wee bit heavy on the 21 chromosome. Who knows at least you like to do something and are good at it. Some people are not that lucky, you are, you smiling bastard.

Continue to second post 1000 char limit.

[Sonkn]

Some of you were that person and maybe I was that person too. Damn this is off topic.

Well I am Bur Kek and I clicked this thread hoping to see what the OP was talking about. I did get to see that in addition to all of the 'Muh Tohts Da Tastest In Muh Mouf Bits.' I must say that if you do not want what the OP is describing you should go make your own thread. It is like going to a petting zoo to pet zoo animals, but instead you go to church and touch people.

The zoo pen is full of laid back Antelopes getting a long, tossing the b-ball around after a mid afternoon nap, when all of sudden a Jackalope jumps the fence. The Jackalope says 'I AM THE CULT OF SELF' while running around knocking over baby Antelopes, a real jerk. Once the Jackalope gets tired and stops running in circles, it sits down. The Jackalope then opens its mouth, nothing comes out, nothing of relation to the Antelope pen it is in, and then it deflates into a floppy empty Jackalope made from neoprene.

[Sonkn]

Jackalopes aren't real ya dingus, for your health!

Besides the wall of text above why can't the summon spell you get at level 50 Summoner summon a random player from your server, same level, random class, and allow you to control them until you release them. I don't see why people wouldn't want to watch someone else play their character. Just my 4AM thoughts or are they yours too?

Tl;dr Stuff OP said isn't what you want, so you get on microphone, big one with flashing lights, and jib-jab your jaw spurting out that your personal opinion is more important than the OP, however unrelated, derailing the thread, making me, your friend, yes your true friend, read more of your jib-jab than he has time to. Then I attempt to share my most inner beautiful thoughts and fail.

Burnt Toast, tires made of cake and carpet, maybe?

PS- I am bad at all things I do, including posting on forums at 5 something AM, and English in general.

[Alenore]

I love people.
"WoW is everywhere, thanks god I never played WoW". Shut up then.

I agree SMN isn't my favourite job either, since I've never been into DoTs.
The Rift's version of summoning was better though : elementals, some spells upgrading elementals, and symbiosis between both.

But all the "OMG FF SMN WAS NEVER LIKE THAT" is plain bs. Things change, maybe they'll change again, but for now SMN is a dot/pet class.

[Gamma621]

FF Tactics ? the even take some of wardrobe design from it, kinda funny that none talk about FFT. well if you see summoner in FFT you'll expect them to throw their summon at you not DoT-ing you to death.

Like I've already said, Summoner in FFT was nothing more than AOE versions of White and Black Magic. So by your logic, Summoners shouldn't have pets at all. They should have long cast time burst damage AOEs and nothing else. Might as well just be the Black Mage at that point.

So again, Historic FF Summoners are nothing like what you guys are asking for.

[Nux]

Like I've already said, Summoner in FFT was nothing more than AOE versions of White and Black Magic. So by your logic, Summoners shouldn't have pets at all. They should have long cast time burst damage AOEs and nothing else. Might as well just be the Black Mage at that point.

So again, Historic FF Summoners are nothing like what you guys are asking for.

Good point

But let me give some point, you know Archer (Not in game but in real world) they carry daggers and in some case a sword, they are archers but why did they have daggers / sword with them ? needles to say if they somehow forced to engage enemy in close combat they have option to fend them off you could say that was their SECONDARY weapon that used when need arise and if i was an archer i'll do my job by using my MAIN weapon to engage enemies from afar because that was what an archer supposed and expected to do.

With the summoner case it was you yourself become your main weapon and your summon is just a secondary tool

We try to read these as for now for basic understanding

What Archers do ? they will attack you from afar with their bow
What Mages do ? they will attack you with their spells
What Swordsman do ? they will slash and stab you with their sword
What Summoners do ? they will curse and give you sickness from their grimoire to kill you << i can guarantee that even some random people that know nothing will feel strange by this explanation

ok maybe that wasn't fair, the summon was there so let me rephrase that
What Summoners do ? they will curse and give you sickness to kill you from their grimoire while their summon attacking you
that was almost feel right, but only almost because i am unable to write that their summons do the killing

then lets we make some edited explanation by reversing
What summoners do ? Their summon will come after to kill you while the summoner will curse and give you sickness << this one didn't happen

so we can came up with 2 definition, let see which one fit properly ?
1. What Summoners do ? they will curse and give you sickness from their grimoire to kill you while their summon attacking you
2. What summoners do ? Their summon will come after to kill you while the summoner will curse and give you sickness from their grimoire

I dont want to speak about damage/DPS but i think i'll add some fun fact for to the table
the summoners do more damage than their summoned summons

end note and also for TLDR's
If i may can i ask you and everyone else opinion, which definition befits for the title of a Summoner ? 1 or 2 ?

[Beardflex]

I think the summoner job should change to Green Mage and they should add a summoner job that 100% focuses on pets. This way people that like summoner as it is can still play and enjoy it, and people that want a more pet focused summoner can play that.

[GuyWithFace]

All these complaints about SMNs not playing like how you think a "FF Summoner" would play, and not a single complaint about BRDs not behaving like a FF Bard should? Last I checked, bards weren't just archers who sing a song while shooting arrows. If SE were to change SMN to what you think a SMN should be, they'd need to change a few of the other classes out of principle.

You guys are forgetting that a job isn't its own entity, it's AN EXTENSION OF ITS BASE CLASS. A SMN is an Arcanist who has more powerful summons/pets. That's it.

[Nux]

All these complaints about SMNs not playing like how you think a "FF Summoner" would play, and not a single complaint about BRDs not behaving like a FF Bard should? Last I checked, bards weren't just archers who sing a song while shooting arrows. If SE were to change SMN to what you think a SMN should be, they'd need to change a few of the other classes out of principle.

You guys are forgetting that a job isn't its own entity, it's AN EXTENSION OF ITS BASE CLASS. A SMN is an Arcanist who has more powerful summons/pets. That's it.

Bards, historically speaking (in real world) are usually spies in disguise (even though not all of them) and they're notable in using daggers, bows, and crossbows, so you can say that basically bards are adept in using those weapons. You will rarely seen bard in midst of battle because it's not where they placed, they have their own roles in this particular areas as a spy.

And meanwhile in fantasy worlds bards are usually able to sing a song imbued with magical properties that have various effect either to harm/weaken enemies or improve allies/party performance, and they are often become a mixed class that able to use daggers and/or crossbows (a thief/ranger like role that can play various arcane tune/song)

So actually, the bards in ARR fits for their title as a Bard

and you said that it was an EXTENSION class, so basically that we can agree that SE made mistakes by using arcanist as a base class for summoner, no ? and scholar should have been the only EXTENSION came from aranist since it more fitting for them.

[Gamma621]

With the summoner case it was you yourself become your main weapon and your summon is just a secondary tool


What summoners do ? Their summon will come after to kill you while the summoner will curse and give you sickness << this one didn't happen

They could potentially re-balance the class abilities to make the summons more effective, and the DoTs not the main source of the Summoner's damage output. This is something that happens in other MMOs all the time, and could happen if enough people ask for it. But completely overhauling the class, including the design of the summons themselves, like the OP wants will never happen.

And even the re-balance wouldn't happen for quite a while because Square Enix has enough stability issues to deal with first before they start changing game mechanics.