People WHO WANT A REAL SUMMONER pet class

[Ambacht]

I'm abit disappointed about SMN from what I've heard and seen ingame. Summoners are one of the iconic classes/jobs of the Final Fantasy genre and was hoping for something unique. What is it exactly our summons do or add other then beeing there and support us? I do have some neat ideas for summoner let me know if you like any?

- To lets the summons enhance your skills, like Ifrit will boost fire moves, garuda boost wind moves. Or something among those lines would be interesting and since the primals all involve an element we should have skills that involve them. You'd be able to summon them according to your enemies weakness.

- Another idea would be to have your summons fuse with you ( temporarily). As you lvl you gain kills from using the primals power and learning more about primals. This would fit perfectly storywise since you summon is part of a primal, they should be able to learn more about them.

[Trayes]

I just wanted to give this thread a bump. Some real concerns here and I would love to see a change to Summoner.

[Gamma621]

Hey you guys! You need to contact SE and tell them that White Mage needs to be fixed, NOW! I mean wtf is all this Stone and Aero crap? White Mage's aren't supposed to have BLACK MAGIC SPELLS! I MEAN COME ON! White Mage's should have nothing but healing spells and should only be able to do weak melee attacks with their staff. I mean that's how White Mage's have ALWAYS been. I can't believe they turned White Mage into a DPS class. GAWD!

This is how the OP and a few others in this thread sound. I honestly don't know what you expected the Summoner class to be. You do realize that this is an MMO and the classes need to be somewhat balanced right? The idea of a Summoner standing off to the side doing absolutely nothing while the pet does everything is idiotic.

[Gamma621]

Then they start listing previous summoners from FF history as examples.

Rydia: Could use Black Magic including VARIOUS status effect spells like, imagine that, "BIO!"

Garnet/Eiko: Both were primarily White Mages only using summons because they had no other way of dealing damage.

Yuna: Also primarily the White Mage, but through the magic of grinding the Sphere grid, could learn every single Black Magic spell possible. Oh and could potentially become a tank like Auron.

Let's face it. Pre FF10 Summoners have never been anything more than a flashier version of Black Mage, and a way to give White Mage a means of dealing damage.

FF10 Summoning completely dismissed your entire party so the Aeon could fight alone in turn-based combat. Good luck getting that mechanic to work in an MMO.

FF12 had the summon come out and join the summoner, allowing the summon and summoner to fight TOGETHER!

Where you guys are getting this crazy idea of what a summoner should be is beyond me.

[J_Burton]

This is degrading at the same speed my chat log fills with gil spammers in Limsa Lominsa

First off after going through here NO ONE is calling for "OOOOO shit summon time! Everyone step back, my big ass mofo here is going to smash his face and make shit go BOOM! like all of you people who disagree with those asking for change are claiming they are making. What they are asking for, is to not have a children's night light following them around and into battle, that is more of a passive boost then an active boost.

The one thing everyone does agree on is that a summoners main attraction in every single FF game was SUMMONS. Here they are more of a side line part of the class. So yea this annoys a lot of long time FF fans because this is in no way reminiscent of the classic FF summoner.

That being said im fine with the class, just don't call it a summoner.

[J_Burton]

since im limited to 1000 dumb characters a post had to add this in a second one >.<

Honestly its almost like giving the paladin no healing spells but fire/thunder/blizzard instead and making him use a lance....people would have a problem with that because that's not a paladin.

[branshaw]

I would really like to see some more diversity out of the summons, personally. They really don't bring much to the party, and Yoshi-P said himself that summoners would rely on their pets for a majority of their damage. Bringing out each summon should have pros, and each summon should have their own place in a party.

I would love to see Garuda with something like an aoe enaero, Titan with aoe shield/stoneskin, and Ifrit with like a boost to fire-based damage, or something.

I know summoner will be getting lots of tweaks/changes in the future, and I'm excited to see what they do with the class.

[Nemhy]

the Pet kits need a lot of tweaking...enkindle is very underwhelming for a 300 second cooldown and Contagion is probably the only skills worth using on pets... the stuns are nice on paper but the pet actions are too delayed to make use of them

[Nux]

Then they start listing previous summoners from FF history as examples.

Where you guys are getting this crazy idea of what a summoner should be is beyond me.

FF Tactics ? the even take some of wardrobe design from it, kinda funny that none talk about FFT. well if you see summoner in FFT you'll expect them to throw their summon at you not DoT-ing you to death.

Interview with summoner - summoner in a nutshell (or maybe coconut)

Reporter : Hi, I've never seen you in beta, it said that your class was summoner. what exactly your class do ?

Summoner : DoT-ing my enemies to their gruesome death while my cute pet massaging them HEUHEUHUE

Reporter : .... Mmmmm okay, i can relate to that, and so is your DoT do any good ?

Summoner : Oh pretty much well, i can just laid back looking at my hourglass counting and counting and counting .....while seeing my enemies flesh rotting oh oh wait don't forget that i can make them look worse with my lovely fester that made their flesh fall from their bones, and of course if the enemies like to cuddle that much i can share the fun for them with bane *grin*.

Reporter : Interesting .... but it sounds more like a wicked witch doctor to me other than ... well .... something in line with popular belief of a summoner. Speaking of summon does your pet do any good ?

Summoner : People said they're like torch, lavalamp, signpost and things i can't remember, and they just seem to be sometimes deaf ...

Reporter : Deaf ? can you tell me more about it ?

Summoner : Well when i tell my ifrit to stun it seems that he just spaced out there staring at the boss like an idiot, i have to yell at him like more than once and the same goes to the rest of them.

Reporter : Well that was a serious problem, but do you love your summons ?

Summoner : What ? What summon ? *thinking* oh do you mean my pets ? you can see there in my actions tab it said pets not summons get your facts straight lady ...

Reporter : Oh okay ... sorry about that ... so do you love your pets then ?

Summoner : Oh i love them as a pet, ifrit always help me when i'm writing something in my grimoire and for titan he ,,

Reporter : Oh ok ... sorry to interrupt (i dont need those details) but do you love them when you go into battle ?

Summoner : In battle ? (*mumbling* hell i cant remember, did they do anything ?) .... well they sometime usefull like garuda she can make my enemies to rot even longer love to see that ... my favorite so far .... seeing flesh rotting for much much longer time

Reporter : Well .... that was ... (what wrong with this guy) ... lovable

Summoner : *linkshell ringing* Hey ,,, whats going on ? .... okay i'll be there. Sorry lady but i think my time is up that was a call from Yoshi

Reporter : Yoshi ? now that what i call a story .. can you give me some quick note about what he want to talk about ?

Summoner : Well primarily about my obsession with this hourglass and my blabbering about famine and sickness becouse people around me have been complaining about that..

Reporter : Ah .... Interesting, well i wish you luck.

Summoner : Another time then lady ,,, *porting out*

Reporter : And that conclude with one of FF XIV - ARR class, The Summoner. Hope to see you guys in eorzea, as for now the session A Realm Report signing off

[allluckys]

I get your gripes you didn't want summoner to be the dot/pet class you guys wanted to micro manage your minuter semi player sized yet full rendered versions of the primal and basically blackmage nuke with your pets leaving any meaningful rotation up to your pet and your direct control of your pet.
Leaving your character with the occasional cd and cross class ability.
I get that.
a compromise might be taking another page from wow I know you guys really hate that game and throw in a demonology lock's metamorphosis you basically take in the primal essence and become an avatar of your summoned primal so swap player model for a minuter player sized ifrit and boom you get a new hotbar with abilities and a new dps rotation to toy around with so all of you can become ifrit because that's what you guys really want. As your well placed dots tick and your mp burns away because maintaining the form would have a steep mp cost. Then you would swap out reapply dots drain back your mp again.