SCH... are we used?

[Shyluv]

50 WHM and only 31 SCH. Honestly, it seems like it takes more skill for a WHM to manage their enmity but still keep everyone alive at the same time. I realize my SCH is very low leveled. But I find it incredibly boring. Fairy does most of the healing, and so far her AI doesn't seem as bad to me as some people claim.

But that is just for me. In 8 man, I definitely like having a SCH over another WHM.

[Birdeh]

As a lvl 50 SCH (and lvl 34 WHM), I've been running nearly all the lvl 50 instances and its going fine.

SCH advantages:
1. Has shields
2. Doesn't going oom (easy)
3. Cool pet buff (spell/skill haste, healing potency/resistance/aoe buff stuff)
4. Instant 20% healing spell, which you can spam at most 3x per minute (takes practice, but saved many asses).

However what I regret not having from WHM stufff are:
1. Aoe medica heals for pure heals.
2. Not having a cure 2, which is more powerful (but less mana efficient).
3. Somehow WHMs can resurrect people with no death penalty.
4. The panic 100% heal thingy (Instead the SCH 20% heal spam thing compensates though in a way, cuz u can u use it more often).

I would still prefer playing a SCH anytime, since ur kind of an underdog. And you have a higher chance of getting another WHM to combine the strengths of both healer types.

[Comalol]

3. Somehow WHMs can resurrect people with no death penalty.

sch can do that as well... but it is on the limit of bug using (for both WHM and SCH)... the trick is simply to cast an aoe heal that tick during the rise animation for whm the timing is to start casting medica I as soon as the target pop under your position... don't remeber the cast time of sch aoe heal but if it's the same that will do the trick for u too... if it has different cast time u only need to get the timing right...

PS: about what u said on mana efficency.. it is true until whm start getting good lvl 50 equip... once the get a good amount of piety from that (all my point went to mind so all my piety is from gear...) your natural regen + shroud will be enough to let u linger around 75% mana in most fight and drop to 50% only in the most aoe intensive... anyway this doesn't make SCH subpar to whm... all other aspect hold true + sch can use their shield (both single and aoe) to mitigate unavoidable aoe dmg before they happen and so not incurring in the risk of tank getting hit really hard while they are healing the party... there where many situation where healing as a dowble WHM i found my self forced to use benediction (off gcd insta refull on 5 min cd) on the tank because he was getting bashed while we both healer were restoring the party health after an aoe transition... same fight when paired with a SCH went much more easy and I was the only one healing a less dmged party while he was healing and shielding the tank in the mean time...

[Rainsford]

2. Not having a cure 2, which is more powerful (but less mana efficient).
3. Somehow WHMs can resurrect people with no death penalty.

For 3, the trick is to start casting Succor as soon as their body disappears to be rezed. What's happening is that you can't single-target someone while they are in the Raise animation (you'll end up casting on yourself if they are targetted), but you CAN hit them with AOEs while they are in the animation. As they don't get the "debuff" until the animation has finished, all you need to do is hit them with an AOE heal before the Raise animation finishes to cancel them from getting the debuff.

For 2, remember that Aldo, while it lists as a 300 potency heal, is actually a 600 potency heal thanks to the shield compared to WHM's 650 potency Cure II. Considering you get free 300 potency heals from your Faerie, I'd say an Aldo + a faerie heal is significantly more valuable than a Cure II!

[Valiant]

50 WHM and only 31 SCH. Honestly, it seems like it takes more skill for a WHM to manage their enmity but still keep everyone alive at the same time. I realize my SCH is very low leveled. But I find it incredibly boring. Fairy does most of the healing, and so far her AI doesn't seem as bad to me as some people claim.

But that is just for me. In 8 man, I definitely like having a SCH over another WHM.

wait til 50... when she decideds she wont heal til 70%or less health and you have to manually use embrace

[mxzrk]

For the Scholars who are having issues with the fairies I don't really get it. I have never micro-managed Eos, nor would I ever. The Scholars who are having problems healing either just can't grasp it or the tank is standing in to much stuff. I hear people talking a lot about Brayflox's Landing..if the tank stays out of things, it's simple. One run through there the tank died really quickly because he REFUSED to move, literally said he was not going to move, so I let him die. The monk took over and tanked and I healed him through the whole fight with a black mage. So for the ones having problems with mana management, I NEVER run out of mana. It would have to be a fight so long, with everyone getting hit with stuff because they are not moving for me to run out of mana. Hit your Aetherflow, that restores mana. Tab over to the mob your tank is hitting and hit energy drain, it works wonders. I never let my mana drop below 75%, and I never have an issue.

[fanservice]

For the Scholars who are having issues with the fairies I don't really get it. I have never micro-managed Eos, nor would I ever.

That's like... your credibility committing suicide in less than a sentence.

The Scholars who are having problems healing either just can't grasp it or the tank is standing in to much stuff.

... or there's a half dozen badly injured people at once, and a SCH's job in that scenario is to tell the WHM to handle it...

[mxzrk]

actually no it's not at all. If the scholar can't keep the tank up, it's probably the tank. And no, in a group people work together to keep the team up. So when you have a thought, let it go.

[fanservice]

actually no it's not at all. If the scholar can't keep the tank up, it's probably the tank. And no, in a group people work together to keep the team up. So when you have a thought, let it go.

1: You clearly just said you would never micro manage the fairy, which is what keeps a SCH from being a gimp WHM
2: You're not 50, and your experience goes as far as brayflox's longstop, a 4 man level 32-34 duty, which is easy as hell, especially for a SCH.

You really have no position to talk about anything, much less say that I don't know what I'm talking about.

[mxzrk]

It really doesn't matter if i'm 50. I was mentioning brayflox for the fact that it was mentioned in earlier posts. You say I don't know what i'm talking about, I don't need to be 50 to know. I've had enough experiences in different games with team combat. You say I don't have any position to talk about anything? What gives you the right to criticize me? And you've made it apparent that you don't know what you're talking about, you may micro manage your fairy, but I never have had to. I don't think not micro-managing Eos makes a scholar a gimp. Maybe it's just your skill, hell I don't know. There are to many aspects to consider. All I was saying is that I don't have to.