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スレッド: SCH... are we used?

  1. #41
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    ApolloGenX's Avatar
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    2013/08/22
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    Leviathan
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    剣術士 Lv 90
    Two whm = quick recovery from mechanics
    WHM+Sch = Mitigation of mechanics + quick recovery
    If two SCH stacked shields = Triviliazation of mechanics

    Optimal is 1 of each, as it should be. 2 WHMs offers very quick recovery of health, but in the end you are taking damage that could have been prevented via SCH, which is riskier.
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    Valiant's Avatar
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    Valiant Lightsworn
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    Lamia
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    幻術士 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:Shyluv 投稿を閲覧
    50 WHM and only 31 SCH. Honestly, it seems like it takes more skill for a WHM to manage their enmity but still keep everyone alive at the same time. I realize my SCH is very low leveled. But I find it incredibly boring. Fairy does most of the healing, and so far her AI doesn't seem as bad to me as some people claim.

    But that is just for me. In 8 man, I definitely like having a SCH over another WHM.
    wait til 50... when she decideds she wont heal til 70%or less health and you have to manually use embrace
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  3. #43
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    Valiant Lightsworn
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    Quote 引用元:ApolloGenX 投稿を閲覧
    Two whm = quick recovery from mechanics
    WHM+Sch = Mitigation of mechanics + quick recovery
    If two SCH stacked shields = Triviliazation of mechanics

    Optimal is 1 of each, as it should be. 2 WHMs offers very quick recovery of health, but in the end you are taking damage that could have been prevented via SCH, which is riskier.
    you are also assuming high crit im sure... all the 50 SCH i have seen in action can't pump out a high shield and a WHMs regen seems to do more... then again it could be that most who i saw were in the early 50 gear which probably sucks for most SCHs
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    2013/09/14 04:10; Valiant が最後に編集

  4. #44
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    Eccho's Avatar
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    Eccho Lied
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    Tonberry
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    巴術士 Lv 50
    Yes two WHM is OP. Scholar is balanced until you reach Titan at which point you will only get a group if its a 3 healer group with 2 whm and 1 sch. Scholar needs a slight re work to balance it for the big high damage taken fights.
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  5. #45
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    sharazisspecial's Avatar
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    Bunny Boo
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    Excalibur
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    幻術士 Lv 60
    2 medica2 is trivialising content more then 2 succor ever would atm.
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    2013/09/15 20:09; sharazisspecial が最後に編集

  6. #46
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    Draemos's Avatar
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    Chaste Draconnis
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    Exodus
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    Quote 引用元:Eccho 投稿を閲覧
    Yes two WHM is OP. Scholar is balanced until you reach Titan at which point you will only get a group if its a 3 healer group with 2 whm and 1 sch. Scholar needs a slight re work to balance it for the big high damage taken fights.
    Titan is a heavy AoE healing fight and WHM are heavy AoE healers. Just because they are better utilized in that fight doesn't make SCH broken or in need of rework.

    It's kinda like saying WHMs are broken at Demon Wall because SCHs are significantly better designed for that fight.
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  7. #47
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    Quote 引用元:Draemos 投稿を閲覧
    Titan is a heavy AoE healing fight and WHM are heavy AoE healers. Just because they are better utilized in that fight doesn't make SCH broken or in need of rework.

    It's kinda like saying WHMs are broken at Demon Wall because SCHs are significantly better designed for that fight.
    how? whm do just as well as sch well that fight perhaps even better . Sch is the one that lacks aoe healing and needs to spam the hell out of succor to make up for it.
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    2013/09/16 04:36; sharazisspecial が最後に編集

  8. #48
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    Draemos's Avatar
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    Chaste Draconnis
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    Exodus
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    幻術士 Lv 50
    Quote 引用元:sharazisspecial 投稿を閲覧
    how? whm do just as well as sch well that fight perhaps even better . Sch is the one that lacks aoe healing and needs to spam the hell out of succor to make up for it.

    What? You just have your tank hold the bees and you kill the wall. Very little AoE healing required, and you aren't nearly as likely to pull Bee threat as a Scholar. You can use the haste Fairy and do DPS for the first half of the fight because your fairy can heal the first two repels by herself. If you have good DPS you can even kill the wall before the bees spawn, it's trivial as a Scholar.
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    2013/09/16 05:40; Draemos が最後に編集

  9. #49
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    Tremara's Avatar
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    Tremara Ryne
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    Zodiark
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    I don´t know ... atm I would say the SCH is the better AoE-healer because of less hate and better gaining MP.
    If I would cast 2 Medika I/II right after another, the boss would great me with 5k hit right in the face - and if I am not dead after that I lost 1.1k MP. My friend who is playing SCH has no problems with hate at all - and he don´have to worry about MP.
    Yeah, WHM has the enmity-reduce/gain MP-Skill but sometimes 2min cool down are just too much.

    PS: Yes, I am exaggerating but it´s more or less that way - at least for me.
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    2013/09/16 08:31; Tremara が最後に編集

  10. #50
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    kronpas's Avatar
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    Adellyna Adel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote 引用元:Tremara 投稿を閲覧
    I don´t know ... atm I would say the SCH is the better AoE-healer because of less hate and better gaining MP.
    If I would cast 2 Medika I/II right after another, the boss would great me with 5k hit right in the face - and if I am not dead after that I lost 1.1k MP. My friend who is playing SCH has no problems with hate at all - and he don´have to worry about MP.
    Yeah, WHM has the enmity-reduce/gain MP-Skill but sometimes 2min cool down are just too much.

    PS: Yes, I am exaggerating but it´s more or less that way - at least for me.
    Your tanks are doing terrible job if you pull threat after 2 AOE heals.

    how? whm do just as well as sch well that fight perhaps even better . Sch is the one that lacks aoe healing and needs to spam the hell out of succor to make up for it.
    WHM is better as it makes up for DPS incompetency better (spam medica away!). If they do their job properly you dont have to heal as much.
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