For the Love of GOD FIX Gridania!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chrees]

You seem to assume everyone is Native English and therefore should know that there's a difference between using a word you don't mean to use and using the incorrect word, to me, since English is my second language, "broken" means not functioning.

When the OP says "Fix it!" That means something is "broken", therefore not working. So I don't see anyone "crapping" on the OP.

You can't come into an English-speaking forum and cry foul when someone uses a metaphor or other figure of speech that most native English speakers would understand.

I remember you tried pulling this card on me a few months ago as well when talking about this same subject. I'm not trying to be mean about it, but you have to see it from our perspective, too. You can't expect everyone to automatically know that English isn't your first language and bend to your will. That would be like me posting in the French forums after taking a few French courses in college and then getting mad when they start throwing in slang terms that I don't understand.

If there's a forum for your native language, it would be wise to use that instead; if not, then you're going to have to deal with it.

[AngryNixon]

You seem to assume everyone is Native English and therefore should know that there's a difference between using a word you don't mean to use and using the incorrect word, to me, since English is my second language, "broken" means not functioning.

When the OP says "Fix it!" That means something is "broken", therefore not working. So I don't see anyone "crapping" on the OP.

Off topic but w/e:

This is FFXIV I don't assume anyone is native anything. But if whatever language it is is not your native language you might think to read a few of the replies to try to properly establish context before misinterpreting what the OP said.

I speak a few languages myself, some more fluently than others, but when something seems like I might have misunderstood it, I (most of the time unless I'm feeling exceptionally lazy) seek to clarify my understanding of what was said and the context in which it was said before I comment.

Also, "fix it" does not always literally mean "broken". Again, context. For example, and this might be specific to North America, the slang expression "fix your face". It does not mean that one's face is literally broken. It means that the person to whom that is being said, has a facial expression that is displeasing to the other person (ie. you look angry, or sour, or something else maybe...) It can also mean "go f* yourself" but that's yet another meaning for another day. It's all about the context. Now fix your face, please and thanks.

Also, I apologize if I took your reply to be yet another intentionally asinine literal interpretation of what the OP said, you misinterpreted it without intent or malice. My bad.

P.S. Hi Chrees

[Elexia]

If there's a forum for your native language, it would be wise to use that instead; if not, then you're going to have to deal with it.

Funny enough the only way to better yourself in other languages is to actually speak with people of other languages. What you said is akin to telling everyone in America to go back to their native counties and we all know how hot of a debate something like that is, I also don't see "foul" being thrown out, since anyone of any language when you ask someone to come fix something what is usually the reason? Something is broken As it's been said over and over in every FFXIV community, this game brought the critical nature out in people.

Also:

I don't see the metaphor myself in gridania needing to be "fixed", do people want it redesigned? Sure, but it doesn't need "fixing". I actually like the Gridania areas since it was a lot more manageable than say the jungles from XI. It feels more closed off but realistically, how many forests are truly wide open ranges? I've been hiking and camping quite a bit in my life so I can see what they were trying to do but it is a bit more excessive.

[Chrees]

Well anyway, back on-topic: I do agree that there need to be some changes made to The Black Shroud. I can usually look past the repetitiveness of the landscape in the other two starting areas, but it becomes especially noticeable when you're stuck in narrow pathways. All they would need to do is open it up, just a bit, and I'd be a happy camper.

And hi Angry. :3

[AngryNixon]

Funny enough the only way to better yourself in other languages is to actually speak with people of other languages. What you said is akin to telling everyone in America to go back to their native counties and we all know how hot of a debate something like that is, I also don't see "foul" being thrown out, since anyone of any language when you ask someone to come fix something what is usually the reason? Something is broken As it's been said over and over in every FFXIV community, this game brought the critical nature out in people.

Also:

I don't see the metaphor myself in gridania needing to be "fixed", do people want it redesigned? Sure, but it doesn't need "fixing". I actually like the Gridania areas since it was a lot more manageable than say the jungles from XI. It feels more closed off but realistically, how many forests are truly wide open ranges? I've been hiking and camping quite a bit in my life so I can see what they were trying to do but it is a bit more excessive.

This is not a comment to imply that this game should be more like XI but I actually liked the slightly unmanageable XI jungle. That's more what I envision it should be like (but not a jungle since I don't think the Black Shroud has anything to do with rain forest climates). Also impassable forest makes sense re: your hiking irl comment, but narrow rock wall paths everywhere is kind of a cheap looking substitute.

On your metaphor point, yes "fix" in this case means "I don't like it, do it a different way" or "redesign it". The perception being that it's metaphorically "broken" or rather "done wrong" to the person making the comment also lol.

It's like if you want someone to "fix" a document you might just dislike the visual formatting of the document but it may be just fine in terms of conveying what it's meant to convey. The problem may be purely your dislike of the way it's laid out, but that doesn't mean it's broken by any means since to a bunch of other people it's just fine.

[Reika]

Then they should close the Trollishly made thread that has gone off topic. That is what ANY moderator would do.

A moderator once said requests to close threads are considered off topic as well...

[Anty]

... i would go further: Fix Limsa and Uldah surroundings as well: Why?

The same red stone or the same grass/tree mix doesnt cut it either. The only difference: you dont have such an annoying maze-like structure EVERYWHERE. But still.

I would enjoy running through the areas if the desert-like uldath had perhaps a different kinda stone, sand, vegetation somewhere... Limsa would be a great place for windmills and could also use some areas that have more dense Forrest-like areas ... something like an OASIS in Uldah would be awesome. perhaps the eastern part of Uldah could be half desert- half Forest... since.... a few steps and BOOM its raining 24/7 and everything is GREEEEN.

Towards the ferry to the west the area could be more like a desert sand/dunes, less vegetation/different vegetation, snakes, scorps... strange looking stone formations, white stone...
oh and quicksand areas if you stand still too long or are at the middle you get sucked into, might die instantly or find yourself in the ant-cave system.

A huge cave - i mean really huge and epic - (Anthill) with a tunnel system which goes deep down, gets tougher, quests can be done down there, dangerous place. Some even bigger ants deep down, devided into workers, drones, fighters, queens, etc.... Some ants are affected by some weird redglowing ancient aetherite like source.. blabla

Small towns, who look like desert towns (not DESERTED), with moving npcs, life, guards, who kill surrounding mobs etc... and one could make defend missions and such in these cities (more dynamic events).

good place an instanced battlearea for mission/questfights/bossfights into. Explorable only with sneak/invis to some points or with a group

More none-sp-non-agressive mini-mobs who just roam the area (not targetable if needed) to spice up the areas,
caravans etc..

well i could make a 20 pages thread with ideas but i rather stop, since it feels pointless

[Reika]

Limsa isnt a desert island, and its surrounded by water. of course its going to be green everywhere ^^.

Maybe if they implement seasons, the Flora color can change.

[Inaaca]

Limsa isnt a desert island, and its surrounded by water. of course its going to be green everywhere ^^.

Maybe if they implement seasons, the Flora color can change.

I think you missed the point. If I'm not mistaken, Anty was referring to the abrupt transition between Thanalan and The Black Shroud. It's basically sunny desert scrub up against rainy lush forest with no real transition between them.

[Elexia]

I think you missed the point. If I'm not mistaken, Anty was referring to the abrupt transition between Thanalan and The Black Shroud. It's basically sunny desert scrub up against rainy lush forest with no real transition between them.

To be fair a quest does say Thanalan used to be a lot more forested, especially near the shroud. So they probably could have done a better job with the transition, but all of SE's MMOs with zoning tend to ignore the previous zone for the most part, e.g Meri Mountains > Zi`Tah.