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  1. #21
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    Kilandros's Avatar
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    Kilandros Blackthorn
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alfarjamie View Post
    npc price needs to be changed, i think certain nubs... probably from ps3 but not pointing any fingers, are selling items on AH as exact price you can sell them to a NPC... What makes me think this? Well... Look up the allagan pieces... so many people selling them for the same price on AH as NPC price...


    Its just like... you're supposed to sell these to a NPC you know... lol, with taxes combined, theyre actually losing money if they ever actually sell...

    Had to facepalm when i saw these being sold -_-
    I think its people in general don't realize this.
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  2. #22
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    Lghikas's Avatar
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    Fedorx Lightwolf
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    I am okay with buyers being able to buy a select amount from the stack......if the Seller can allow it. But it's been in my experience from several MMORPGs that unless a item in HIGH demand, a half stack(or whatever amount of a non complete stack is) just don't sell as well. If I'm buying in bulk I'm going to look for the "99" amount and even in some cases regardless of price would probably skip over anything else.

    That being said. I don't just sell stacks of 99. I do make accommodations for buyers or people in this thread and sell stuff in stacks or say 10, 20...ect. But I do that because it's my choice. And that just what happens to be selling quickly on my sever.

    But like I said I'm all for(apparently the 1.0 way) for a little box that the seller checks or whatever that allows singles to be bought out of a stacks. But most importantly it should be up to the seller.
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  3. #23
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    Olwen Malchome
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    Actually they need to implement Buy and Sell orders like EVE, if you are going to implement an in game market at least emulate the most robust and interesting of them in the MMO game space.
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  4. #24
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    Raiz Cineris
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Buying singles out of stacks???

    Sorry I dont go to the store and pull 5 oreos out of the package on sale and go to the counter and expect to pay for just my 5 oreos.......

    Buying singles = bad idea. But they should limit stacks being sold as 1/12/99
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  5. #25
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    would a simple tick box allow single sales from a full stack not fix said problem when listing a stack/multiples? much like they had in v1 a full stack u can choose to seel at stack price or a full stack can sell singles from it
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    Heller Bunsafyre
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    It's not only the stack issue, there's also the absolute morons who keep undercutting by 50% or more on sales below the already lowest listing which then leads to the next moron undercutting by 50%. Now on Excalibur we have militia items going for 2k on some listings. Yes, 2k. That's over 60% less than the cost of the actual mats to make them. Hello, economics 101. You can port to three camps or make a gear set's repair for that much if you're level 30...that's about it. Why even bother? Just spiritbond the damn thing and sell the materia for 1000% more.

    Do people really not value their time or money invested in getting their craft to 50 in order to make high-end items? I guess the answer right now is no. We'll see in the weeks to come.

    If the spiral of deflation continues past the first month or so, there'll be zero point in crafting until the next big batch of new goods come out.
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    "You don't stop playing when you get old, you get old when you stop playing!"

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    Jinko Jinko
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    All we need is :-

    1) Average, medium price history.
    2) A floor on undercutting/price hiking, say 5 or 10% being the maximum a player can undercut or increase the average price by.
    3) Stability.
    4) Bring back being able to buy singles from a stack.
    5) Have the average price be the default when dragging an item into the retainer window.
    6) Stability.
    7) Stability.
    8) Being able to sort the MW item list by total price, amount etc.
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    Last edited by Jinko; 09-09-2013 at 10:14 PM.

  8. #28
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    Aldrick Gladius
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    Goblin
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    Gladiator Lv 17
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    2) A floor on undercutting/price hiking, say 5 or 10% being the maximum a player can undercut or increase the average price by.
    You know this will cause all kinds of revolt, right? The major undercutters serve the purpose of making other players rich on their stupidity. Sometimes it takes a week to let the market recover, but still. Oh how I remember the days of buying all sorts of purples on WoW because someone slashed the price and then putting them back up at the same price as the next lowest and seeing them sell in an hour. Some of what's going on is the limited number of people who have figured out how to use the market board properly, which is a bit of work. The rest is just the players who want a quick pile of gil. Capitalize on them!!
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    Swag Skullsplitter
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    2. Hide active sales, this is encouraging undercutting at a rapid rate because people only buy the lowest price, sounds good for the customer but is not good for the seller or economy when i'm having to change my prices every hour to undercut the new sales by 1 gil just to sell my crafted items, sometimes bringing them to less than half their original value. This is crashing things down to 1 gil as well.
    (Part 1 of 2, due to 1,000 character limit)

    While I understand your intent, it is impossible to hide active sales. Players can simply check the price on the market board before going to their retainer to post the item. There's no way you could possibly block that.
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    Swag Skullsplitter
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    Behemoth
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    (Part 2 of 2, due to 1,000 character limit)

    It's the nature of the beast that players want to sell items faster. This is a result of limited market space (though that should not be changed, as it would simply accelerate undercutting on lower-demand goods) and the understanding that prices will keep dropping for the next couple weeks. Eventually, most items will level off at slightly below the creation cost (based on market rates for materials).

    Where most people are shooting themselves in the foot is their failure to accurately calculate these costs. Many are simply trying to unload items they crafted to level up while others forget to take some costs--such as shards and crystals--into account.

    Crafters just need to accept that in a month or two they'll be working on razor-thin margins and that there will always be people who sell below cost.
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    Last edited by Swag; 09-11-2013 at 09:39 PM.

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