Most cocky class?

[BlaineCraner]

Well, what you said is just the fault of the players, not the class.

A class you can fix, the player may stay dumb despite good intentions.

[Jaminos]

Well, what you said is just the fault of the players, not the class.

A class you can fix, the player may stay dumb despite good intentions.

The point is about the general population of the class. Not the physical class itself.

[Leices]

The point is about the general population of the class. Not the physical class itself.

..but you're giving individual anecdotes about bad players yourself--not the general population.

I also have another issue with your first post: the fact that a SMN (as their name suggest, summons) has a tank pet that may rival your inept ability to keep aggro doesn't mean you should hate on them and instead embrace ingenuity and diversity in a dungeon that doesn't strictly rely on your god-given tanking skills, albeit as imperfect as they may be.

For every "cocky" class there is, as according to you, there is an equally, "cocky" PLD, as according to another.

[Leices]

If there is one thing I cannot stand when cramped up in an unordinarily long dungeon is a traditionalist tanker class that thinks everyone should follow in line behind him as though the entire party should be forever grateful he chose to grace their duty finder queue.

These tanks, as I've seen in other games, have failed when unforseen circumstances came up in the party and the normally "defenseless" and "cocky" players took up non-traditional dungeon roles and defeated said boss using a mixture of aggro sharing, kiting, ingenuity, and just plain ol' fun.

FUN.

Because, my friend, that is what makes a game.

[Jaminos]

..but you're giving individual anecdotes about bad players yourself--not the general population.

I use examples to back up my opinion. Its not my soul experience of my dealings with said class.

As for my tanking ability, I am not referring to the boss. I can AOE taunt NPC's just fine. But I can't keep up agro if your pet keeps attacking the NPC I have marked and I lose agro on it because I am trying to keep everyone on me, while tanking the boss. If this make me a bad tank, I guess I am. But I have never had anyone complain about my tanking skills before, besides what I have mentioned. Never from healers or other DPS.

I also do not feel my tanking ability is "God Given it was earned through equal parts trial and error over the course of many years playing raid tanks. It takes a small amount of time to adjust to a new system. But its still using similar mechanics (facing a boss away from the party and so on)