Conjurer & White Mage Abilities and Spells Feedback

[RetroGackto]

Been healing a lot of dungeons.

I think so far out of all the spells the WHM has I'd like maybe to see Shroud of Saints scale more along with mana pool/PIE stats.
I'd like an extra 1-2 yd range on Cure III around it's target.
Slightly longer duration on Presence of Mind--10 seconds is kinda short considering how much it speeds up spell casting along with how long it takes for a lot of casting to go out.

[Draemos]

Cure IIIs functionality along with its proc is wayyyyy too limited in scope. Range AoE splash range is way too short and the stars and moon need to align for the random proc to ever be useful.

I'm pretty happy with everything else though.

[Draemos]

Having done the Keep on my 50 WHM now as well, I have to say, WHM seems to have a much easier job during this dungeon.

The Demon Wall, despite being a mid-boss, is probably the most difficult fight in the game for me as a healer.

I would think that popping a succor before the 2nd repel.. Then popping Rouse and the fairy AoE heal during adds would make that part extremely easy. You could also save all your charges for lustrate.

You can also spam the hell out of Succor, it's not like demon wall is a mana intensive fight. Between that and the fairy AoE, I don't see how anyone is dying unless they are just standing is goo.

That fight is really easy as a healer. I think you just might not be using all your tools

[Aedra]

After try tanking dungeon to 50 with my SCH friends and random WHM. I'd say

1) For healers, I'd prefer WHM over SCH as they heal a lot stronger (and Repose). The only thing I'd worried about WHM is when I see them heal ineffectively and over use of their MP. Besides that, WHM MP is ok as it is now if they know how to utilize their heal.

2) As a WHM running lv50 dungeons, I'd say the only time I'll have MP problem is when I have to raise DPS more than once in a boss fight.
For Amdapor Keep, I believe every healer fight demon wall first few time will be dead due to our mind set is to conserve MP (least possible AoE heal), while the increasing spike dmg to the party is beyond imagination. This boss will open us to a new world, e.g. spam aoe heal.

btw.. After tested many many many times in a dire situation, Cure III is still the most horrible spell due to Radius = 4 yd...

[Roughbuddha]

Cure III is terrible. It costs way too much MP and the AoE is so tiny. I feel like it's supposed to be used on groups of melee in a raid, but lancers are usually off to the side while everyone else is to the rear and the range is so tiny it won't hit them. If you use it on the tank you have the same problem. Every time i get the Cure III buff from casting Cure II I die a little inside.

[Exphryl]

I never use Cure III, ever. Even if I get a Crit Proc. It serves no purpose with the radius and overall heal. The mana usage is best used else where, or in cases where I need AOE Medica II does the job. I actually think the ONLY time I used Cure III was in umm..Darkhold I think it was when you have to stack on the crystals near the damage stones. Only because I could, even then I didn't need too.

I'm generally just bitter at lack of cross class skills for a WHM too.... (seriously, why would we ever use the two ACN lowbie spells we have access to? Waste)

I'd like to see procs work out a letter better than just being a low chance. (i.e 100% proc chance on a crit Cure etc).

Also, just generally, for Demon Wall not sure why Healers have trouble with this fight (WHMs obviously). Regen keeps people topped up until the bugs come out than a medica is all you need. The only time that any issues come in to play for my Pugs at least is when there is a new guy that doesn't know how to move out of the purple stuff.

[Maldalewyn]

I would think that popping a succor before the 2nd repel.. Then popping Rouse and the fairy AoE heal during adds would make that part extremely easy. You could also save all your charges for lustrate.

This is exactly what I have to do just to make sure I survive that part, though spamming Succor generally is not that great of a help during that part as its potency is so weak it adds very little to the fight in comparison to saving 6 Lustrate for it.

Compare using 6 Lustrate and falling back on other abilities to WHM's ability to just use Medica 1 & 2. WHM has a much easier job and doesn't have to juggle multiple abilities just to stand a greater chance of survival.


But anyway, this isn't really about SCH, and the complaints about Cure III are very true. While the trait Overcure is nice when it happens, it happens so rarely that it may as well not even exist, and the range of Cure III's field is so limiting that against a target any larger than.... let's say a Goobbue, it's more likely that Cure III will not be hitting everyone you want it to.

[Wulfgang]

How often is everyone using Stoneskin? It gets a lot of flack, and considering how much better it was in 1.0, it's understandable. That said, I use it all the time in AK. Plenty of downtime and it's helpful for damage mitigation prior to Repel and Psyche AOE. I would say I keep it up on myself and the two DPS for about 70-80% of the run with most of the downtime from DW (random Murder Hole dmg + repel). I have not had to bring my WHM to anything more challenging than Ifrit Hard (typically BRD), but I'd like to give it a go on Titan Hard in the near future and am just wondering how practical it is outside of the start.

[ApolloGenX]

Medica II doesn't solve as much as some SCH seem to think... the regen portion takes a while, so when you need to get out of the low health zone fast, it takes more than that. With that said, Cure III should be doing that and doesn't because of its HORRIBLE range.

This spell needs to be fixed.

SCH can pre-shield damage, which is good and then heal up afterward. I could definitely see how the SCH has a lot to juggle. WHMs just have a few options... and terrible mps.

[v_jones]

How often is everyone using Stoneskin?

I may use it on DPS pre-fight if I've noticed they are bad at getting out of AoE damage, but mid-fight it's such a waste. A Regen or straight heal is usually the better option. The only fight I've used it in was Garuda, to give me a little bit more health for that big AoE during the transition to phase 2. There are actually plenty of spots I'd use it were it not for the cast time and lack of scalability.