Defiance still lacking in comparison to Shield Oath

[Wangstrong]

I genuinely can't believe there are still people insisting that warriors are not worse tanks than paladins. I mean, it's so resoundingly obvious that denying it is a declaration of idiocy. How can someone possibly argue that the warrior tanking cooldowns are as good as the paladin ones? How can someone seriously be of the belief that HP is as good a tanking stat as universal mitigation? These are clearly players who have never grasped advanced tanking concepts and are simply speaking from bias and a desire to not see their class "lose" the pedestal of 'by far the best tank in the game.' The imbalance between these two classes is so clear and so categorically provable that it took about a week before high-end guilds decided to completely drop warriors from their rosters. The class is just way too weak, and nobody has yet provided a counterargument worth taking seriously.

[Kitru]

I genuinely can't believe there are still people insisting that warriors are not worse tanks than paladins.

I agree that WAR, at the moment, is the worse tank from a mean mitigation standpoint: Defiance and Wrath don't compare with Shield Oath. The +healing that WAR gets needs to be made permanent (or near permanent; I'd have no problem with some abilities reducing or turning it off for a short period of time as part of their cost) and larger (average out to 25%).

I do, however, disagree with the assessment that the WAR CD suite is inferior to the PAL CD suite just because some people are incapable of using it properly. Any tank that actually knows how to use a CD suite that's actually supposed to be used rather than held in reserve will find the WAR CD suite to be amazing. A tank that tries to hold things in reserve for only the most severe emergencies (or doesn't use them proactively to preempt an emergency) is going to find the WAR CD suite to be horrible. Once again, it's a question of player and playstyle, not the tools themselves. If you don't like the WAR CD suite, it's on you, not the class.

[Jayded]

I genuinely can't believe there are still people insisting that warriors are not worse tanks than paladins.

If they cut Marauder damage by about 60% they can tank as well as pallies. Why not just play a pally then?