Defiance still lacking in comparison to Shield Oath

[Evandis]

So the complaint here is that the defensive spec job has more defensive potential? I see.

Balance? Fine, give Warrior some form of shadows ability. Fixed.

[Sqwall]

Since I started PLD I always thought I would just be a main tank. So I pushed for VIT for obscene HP and items the same. It seems to me my dips is crap compared to WAR. Shield oath gives me that boost for bosses and sword oath for trash. You really have to know what your class excels at PLD mitigates Dmg If I was a WAR I would push STR, critical hit rate, and parry since you don't a shield. More Dmg and crits, well that just translates into more HP from bloodbath. Try things, I did and I really spent a ton of Gil to re-gear.

[Evandis]

Since I started PLD I always thought I would just be a main tank. So I pushed for VIT for obscene HP and items the same. It seems to me my dips is crap compared to WAR. Shield oath gives me that boost for bosses and sword oath for trash. You really have to know what your class excels at PLD mitigates Dmg If I was a WAR I would push STR, critical hit rate, and parry since you don't a shield. More Dmg and crits, well that just translates into more HP from bloodbath. Try things, I did and I really spent a ton of Gil to re-gear.

If you are truly pushing a VIT build on your PLD...I have some bad news for you. You need to re-spec and do a majority build for STR.

[Jahaudant]

If you are truly pushing a VIT build on your PLD...I have some bad news for you. You need to re-spec and do a majority build for STR.

O Paladin Lord, enlighten us with thine knowledge!

[Evandis]

O Paladin Lord, enlighten us with thine knowledge!

I will just assume you have absolutely no idea about effective HP.

[Jahaudant]

Your recommendation of "re-spec and do majority build for STR" is seriously ambiguous to begin with.

Parry tiers are 243, 282, 324, 363 and 405 which means that depending on your gear you may need up to 42 STR for it to make a difference. Block depends on the shield you are using, but also have tier gaps of up to 50 STR so that 30 STR you are specced in to might be doing absolutely nothing for you. Each tier increases your block/parry damage reduction by 1% so in an ideal situation the most you can get from 30 STR is 1% additional damage reduction on parries, and 1% additional damage reduction on blocks.

So let's assume your 30 STR bumps you in to the next block tier for your shield, and let's assume that shield is the Super Shield of Win with a block rate of 100%. Can you tell me how much of an EHP increase that extra 1% reduction on blocks would give my PLD with 4925 HP. Hint: It's not 450, and thus not better than 30 VIT and I don't even have a Super Shield Win.

Edit: Rewritten for easier reading.

[Evandis]

Your recommendation of "re-spec and do majority build for STR" is seriously ambiguous to begin with.

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I don't know how you do a majority build that ends up being a totality build, but whatever big guy, keep going on and on and on. One day when you get a chance to play with a PLD who focused on STR and you realize he has not only a better sustainability than you, but also a higher enmity threshold, you will get wise.

I did all VIT and then re-spec'd to 2 STR to 1 VIT, and my sustainability did not drop at all, but I now am able to keep enmity through even the most overzealous of healers. I may even re-spec to a full STR build as the numbers are explored further. VIT can be boosted through gear, as it is the primary stat on just about all PLD gear.

I don't care what you do. I have been a PLD since day 1 on FFXI until now. Before the shield buffs on PLD I was one of the first to use a Terra Staff to tank with primarily, to all the nay-sayers like you, who a couple months later were buying up Terra's Staff. Then all the nay-sayers like you who said PLD/RDM was a horrid idea for JoL, but soon it became the accepted method to tank.

You do what you want, but I will continue to advise other Paladins on how to get the most from the job. At the end of the day, I keep my party alive and win. If my party is upset about that, well then, I will go ahead and get a measly 400 extra HP and loose enmity on the regular.

And before you bother replying, keep in mind that I have no intention of reading it or responding to it. I am spending my day leveling by running DF and getting groups through Stone Vigil. I'd much rather prefer practice than theory.

[Jahaudant]

whatever big guy
I have been a PLD since blah blah blah so I know better than you.
my opinion > hard facts

Typical response.

[MBTL90]

"lol str on a pld"

Bad advice is bad, especially from a lvl 43 paladin. I keep running into people saying they need the str to keep aggro, and to you I ask, what on earth are you doing that you can't hold aggro with 30 vit? I've tanked up to and including HM titan, often with full darklight dps. Also, if you are unfamiliar with titan, there is constant aoe damage, so the healers put out relatively high threat. In all my time tanking, I've never lost single target aggro. So I ask again, what are you doing that you need the small damage boost from str? But go ahead, continue to act like the authority on paladin tanking while in stone vigil. I'm just gonna go ahead and keep killing hard modes.

[JibOK]

I fought Titan for the first time last night. Our Bard kept dying half way through the fight from landslide, total noob. We were still able to take him down from 50% HP. I think that's the balance, but my opinion is only up to that point (lvl 36).