Square, Don't let the Community ruin this game

[Moochan]

What about the people that want to speed run? At least they drop party. They are paying customers too. But no, let's enforce people to be 100% the way you want them to be.

[neverendingxsin]

You guys will seriously complain about ANYTHING.

Servers don't work you complain.
Restricted login's you complain.
Can't make characters you complain.
You finally get into the game and complain about FATES.
You get to level 50 and complain about how others don't want to do the same pointless trash mobs every single time.
I mean seriously all you do is complain, can you not just enjoy the game without making a complaint thread?

[Steeled]

People really need to stop blaming SE for the PW incident.

Okay, fine. Absolute Virtue.

PW wasn't the first epically long fight, or even the longest. I believe shells tried AV for more than a solid day, long before PW reared its...whatever PW is.

Thing is, SE didn't care until it was picked up by the news.

FFXI players have joked and joked about the polite message that greets you every time you login to the game. Something like "Please don't forget your friends, family, etc etc.". FFXI is the only major mmo always reminding you of that and simultaneously demanding that if you want the gear, you'll ignore that warning. Or it was, years ago.

I mean c'mon, HNM were all about sitting at the PC doing nothing.

The only part you're right about is that players didn't have to accept the challenge. SE didn't have to make it either.

[Kahri]

You guys will seriously complain about ANYTHING.

Servers don't work you complain.
Restricted login's you complain.
Can't make characters you complain.
You finally get into the game and complain about FATES.
You get to level 50 and complain about how others don't want to do the same pointless trash mobs every single time.
I mean seriously all you do is complain, can you not just enjoy the game without making a complaint thread?

Kind of ironic.

You complaining about complainers, or about complainer's complaints.

I mean, you obviously want to do speed runs. Fine for you. Wouldn't you prefer it if, rather than getting lumped with a party that doesn't want to speed run and having to re-queue all over again, you could simply indicate you want a speed run party in the first place? ...Because that's exactly what this thread is suggesting.

Now that's REALLY ironic. You complaining about complainer's who are suggesting an improvement that you would actually benefit from.

Chill out and know not everybody plays exactly the same way you do.

...which is *exactly* why people shouldn't expect to use DF to get speed run parties.

[Etherite]

People really need to chill. Usually whenever people are using the DF, it is to finish whatever quest they got for it. I speak for myself here, when I get a story quest that forces me to do a dungeon, the lassstt thing I want to do is wait... I guess everybody's play-style is different.

But seriously, nobody wants to wait on anybody... like, come on.... Just because you're tank doesn't mean you need pull every single node of mobs in the entire dungeon. Nobody, unless the ask for it wants that.

Chill out and know not everybody plays exactly the same way you do. That's the great thing about DF -- you que up, you get it done however which way you can and that's that. It's over after that you never have to see those people again. Lol.

If you REALLY want like-minded people to play with? Find a LS/FC that suits your needs, playstyle, and available hours. Or, make and/or bring some friends of yours into the game.

**EDIT**
Duty Finder is not the only way to find groups

[jmdatcs]

If you want to do something in a specific way, form your own group with like-minded people (I'd be down to learn with you or help if I already know it) or ask guildmates to do it with you.

You can't use a tool that groups you with three random people then be surprised when they don't all agree with you.

If you still use the DF and the consensus of the group differs from what you want to do, you have an option. Leave the group, eat the lockout, and wait again.

If you're outvoted and you stay and try to insist on your way, you're the asshole, not everyone else.

[Steeled]

Just because you're tank doesn't mean you need pull every single node of mobs in the entire dungeon. Nobody, unless the ask for it wants that.

There is a mountain of difference between pulling every single node and sac-pulling the whole damn place because people refuse to fight it.

I'm not big on going out of my way to pull needlessly. The Demons before the wall boss are a great example of that. If I could avoid that (I've always had to avoid it anyway), I would. No good reason to fight it.

[Etherite]

LOL. Then why should you expect to have slow runs when using DF? It's random, and the group goes with whatever mindset the people you got grouped with have.

[kazaran]

The only real issues is poor attitudes of a lot of the newer players, or clearly (caught it and got admitted to) people taking over old accounts. (already?)

Most Legacy are actually long time FFXI players as well. This community attitude, bashing has boiled over. Rather then take a breath or proper meds for their ADHD issues, they cause an uproar. Tanks dropping because of mouths without backup. People thinking it is like another game. People playing on families accounst clearly not understanding the role. Not understanding economy, team work, and management.

I hoep they are not like this in daily life or it will be a long road ahead for them.

On the tanking note. To many people don't think. I just by mistake got ued into sunken, but said well ill run it for them for kicks. Damn summnor starts dotting before a flash can go off, and i'm sorry, im not playing run around like a chicken for someone who can't pay attention to timing. I said "I'm not chasing down due to bad choices, wait before casting" got attitude, end of run as simple as that. I know his role, clearly (due to the fact of a lack of clearing the dungeon" he doesn't understand others, and by then should. When you explain and they get cocky. then tanks done. Just like when I healed a run for them, and they did it to another tank. He was done.

Tanks should pull what they know they can handle and pull as best as possible when it can be controlled.

Archers, I typically love, but some are clueless. grabbing hate and strafing menas dead archer. I you keep doing it. I will let you and sit back and watch. If im the healer, and Im tossing you heals more then the tank chasing , im going to heal that tank first. raise you after.

[Steeled]

It's funny. There are people here supporting my topic saying that duty finder isn't the only way to find groups.

There are people against it saying the same thing.

There are a few people, like myself, looking for SE not to enforce either method but to encourage trash kills, with rewards, not because of penalties.

I will say one thing though.

On one hand, if you're looking for a group that's experienced enough and willing to do a speed run, you should form the group from your friends, and not because it differs from my argument, but because you know your friends, their talents, and if they're capable of one shotting the whole place in 20 minutes.

Still, I want is SE to take an active role is enticing players, not forcing or penalizing them.