Heals for Scholors need a buff

[ApolloGenX]

There doesn't seem to be a problem with the SCH healing... but it does sound like there is room for improvement to the pet UI.

That is why I chose to level a WHM before scholar... I figured there would be some growing pains with the pets. I do get jealous of the SCH mana situation, but remind myself that the jobs are different for a reason and although both heal, they can play different roles in large groups.

[sharazisspecial]

Whm being superior to stack and sch being penalized to stack is a current imbalance problem that needs fixes.

When succor or aql heals a shielded target instead of no effect it should turn the no effect part of the heal into extra heals or hot .

Or they can let 2 sch stack their spells like 2 whm can. Double and triple medica2/regen is broken as hell healing. So 2 sch shield wouldnt be too bad since sch still will lack the burst aoe heals which is sorely needed for the hardmode and coil.

Lastly ,they could be mean and stop whm spells stacking so that 1 sch + 1 whm is always superior to 2 whm or 2 sch.

[ApolloGenX]

Whm being superior to stack and sch being penalized to stack is a current imbalance problem that needs fixes.

When succor or aql heals a shielded target instead of no effect it should turn the no effect part of the heal into extra heals or hot .

Or they can let 2 sch stack their spells like 2 whm can. Double and triple medica2/regen is broken as hell healing. So 2 sch shield wouldnt be too bad since sch still will lack the burst aoe heals which is sorely needed for the hardmode and coil.

Lastly ,they could be mean and stop whm spells stacking so that 1 sch + 1 whm is always superior to 2 whm or 2 sch.

The first option is unlikely. Overheal is overheal. A Whm doesn't get overheal converted to a HoT or Shield. So, no. Working as intended. That is the benefit of a shield.

As far as the abilities stacking... the problem there is unique to shields. It would be fine with them stacking, except that shield stacking poses a unique problem of being able to spam and outstack damage to the point, where you triviliaze encounters. Stacking HoTs doesn't prevent damage.... so if 2k damage comes in, you take the damage and then heal up. If you could stack shields, then that damage is prevented, which can simply override mechanics that could be meant to kill you.. or otherwise reduce your health.

Even if someone has a heal that will completely heal an entire group, after they take damage- before that heal- there is danger of dying. Stacking shields and preventing damage mitigates any danger.

Shields are inherently superior to healing, so you can't expect to have equal healing AND shields. You also have to recognize the damage balancing limitations that exist on shields. Damage can't be balanced against stacked shields, or they will one-shot people and make shielders mandatory.

(Edit: Also, stacking shields to prevent need for burst healing makes the whm burst healing niche obsolete... which would mean they would need to give whm equal mana regen tools and shields... you are homogenizing because you refuse to accept your limitations and class/job distinction. You want it all.)

[BrodyAlgana]

Why do you want to be competitive with a us White Mages? If you want to ... then just be a White Mage. Each class was designed a certain way, if you don't like the design of your class, switch your main hand weapon. I wish people would learn they don't normally "buff" classes in these games... especially healing classes. If you complain too much, square is more likely to make white mages WORSE healers than make you better ones.

[ApolloGenX]

Yeah, I am leveling a whm and a scholar and prefer to just switch jobs as needed than have one class be completely worthless because of a few bad whiny players. The whole point of the armory system is that you can switch, as needed.

So, if you think whms are so much better, or your group wants one for an encounter, just switch to whm. It's that easy. For fights where SCH is preferred, I will just switch to scholar... not whine that everything needs to cater to whms.

[Keres]

The flamewars in this thread make me sad. Aren't we healers all on the same team?

[chumsy]

Pet healing needs to be scaled to our gear, thats the only buff I think we need, otherwise everything seems pretty on point.

[Rainsford]

A few problems I see from lots of pug SCH's that I think needs to be fixed:

• Your faerie should never, ever be heeled during a boss fight. Place her halfway between you and the tank so the entire group (including a Warrior tank) get the heal/mDef buff. She will also heal more reliably, as the healing is much more sluggish if she's moving around with you.
• Hotkey Embrace and force casts as soon as someone gets hit. Focus target the tank, and make an Embrace Focus Target macro. Spam it.
• You should almost always use 2 Aetherflows on Sacred Soil. It's good to keep one in reserve until the CD is up in case you have to Lustrate or Energy Drain, but with 2 SCH there's no reason for the tank to not always be Sacred Soil'd.
• You should aim to always have Shadow Flare up. 30s duration Slow on a 3s cast should almost always follow a crit Adlo. Of course, I see plenty of SMN that don't keep it up and I'm just as baffled.

[Valiant]

Yes, absorption is not healing. In fact, as Apollo said, it is better than healing.
- Ignoring boss mechanics. With a decent absorb shield up, players are able to take hits that should (in theory) oneshot them. Especially important in fights with lots of AE in combination with heavy single target hits.
- Burst healing before damage happens. Usually (no matter the MMO), boss damage happens in spikes. Typically, large parts of boss fights will have relatively low damage done to the party, followed by periods of heavy damage or periods in which healing is made difficult/impossibly due to som mechanic. In these situations, being an absorb healer means having the MASSIVE advantage of being able to do some 'healing' before the damage happens, which hugely faciliates topping off the group during or after the damage period.

LOL a SCH shield is nothing compared to SS... especially on the tank, Those pathetic shields will never be worth it in endgame.

[sharazisspecial]

Not saying whm is OP
I am saying that sch is greatly penalized when there is another sch in the party, whereas whm is not since their regen and medica stack. That is an imbalance. Just like it be an imbalance if smn could not debuff a target if there was another smn in the pt.

2 sch's Succor should stack, its shield is negligible unless it crits (which cannot be relied upon)
Most endgame encounters a 500 hp shield will not trivialize it. Sch will still lack the raw burst aoe healing numbers to quickly heal people from low.

Whms have plenty of preemptive healing too, with a 18% of max hp stoneskin damage absorption as well.