Heals for Scholors need a buff

[Sonata_rose]

Yeah as a SCH I felt I needed Much Stronger heals yesterday when 3 guys from Shiva let me tank the adds in AK at last boss, and then complained that the DPS were dieing while I was healing the tank, and then tank dieing whyle I as healing the dps, Huehuehue.

well clearly not your fault, nuff said.

[Vhayne]

In my opinion, Scholar seems prefectly fine except for 2 major annoyances :

- Pet control/AI/lack of macros, should be remedied asap. I don't really mind not being able to control pet while casting, but at least give me te possibility to facilitate some stuff through macros.

- Shields from Succor and Adloquium not stacking. A relatively easy solution would be to turn any additional shields into minor HoTs. It prevents the possible OPness of stacking shields, but also prevents the gimping of having multiple SCH in a party. It'd be a different take on WHM's Medica, yet WHM's burst AoE heal would remain superior.

[Waliel]

Complete misinformation, fairy first off has a recast of 3 sec. Secondly it takes her her 3.5 to 6 seconds to heal. Watch any hard mode fight and notice the occasional delay between fairy or even just play sch .
1. There is always a small delay for her to heal after we issue the command
2. Occasionally a random 1-2 sec delay when we command
3. We cant command whilst casting.
4. She wont heal players till they are 70% there has been occasional where people have low but fairy wasnt healing.


The ai is not perfect. Regen is always reliable compared to fairy.

Top guilds are stacking whm for titan and bahamut coil. I have not seen sch stack in highest endgame yet

I really want to know how you play, as I never have any problems of fairy taking a long time to heal. Not counting the weird spots in some maps where she's apparently out of sight of the tank and won't do anything until you move her a bit. That's a bit annoying, but I've seen it happen only a couple of times.

Once you get to a point where your tank has 6000 hp, she won't wait as long to start a heal as you currently see at lower levels when players have HP pools that are closer to the tank's total HP.

She heals the tank like crazy when she's in range (use place). There are often times where you will be in range to heal the tank, but Eos is not in range and won't heal at all.

One example: I have found that placing Eos on the tail of Ifrit increases her healing throughput exponentially vs. letting her follow me around.

In my experience, faeries start to heal at around 75-80%, and they should almost always be told to stand still. They won't die to random aoe, and letting them follow you will just decrease the time they're healing, and sometimes they will even interrupt their cast to follow you.

[ApolloGenX]

There doesn't seem to be a problem with the SCH healing... but it does sound like there is room for improvement to the pet UI.

That is why I chose to level a WHM before scholar... I figured there would be some growing pains with the pets. I do get jealous of the SCH mana situation, but remind myself that the jobs are different for a reason and although both heal, they can play different roles in large groups.

[sharazisspecial]

Whm being superior to stack and sch being penalized to stack is a current imbalance problem that needs fixes.

When succor or aql heals a shielded target instead of no effect it should turn the no effect part of the heal into extra heals or hot .

Or they can let 2 sch stack their spells like 2 whm can. Double and triple medica2/regen is broken as hell healing. So 2 sch shield wouldnt be too bad since sch still will lack the burst aoe heals which is sorely needed for the hardmode and coil.

Lastly ,they could be mean and stop whm spells stacking so that 1 sch + 1 whm is always superior to 2 whm or 2 sch.

[ApolloGenX]

Whm being superior to stack and sch being penalized to stack is a current imbalance problem that needs fixes.

When succor or aql heals a shielded target instead of no effect it should turn the no effect part of the heal into extra heals or hot .

Or they can let 2 sch stack their spells like 2 whm can. Double and triple medica2/regen is broken as hell healing. So 2 sch shield wouldnt be too bad since sch still will lack the burst aoe heals which is sorely needed for the hardmode and coil.

Lastly ,they could be mean and stop whm spells stacking so that 1 sch + 1 whm is always superior to 2 whm or 2 sch.

The first option is unlikely. Overheal is overheal. A Whm doesn't get overheal converted to a HoT or Shield. So, no. Working as intended. That is the benefit of a shield.

As far as the abilities stacking... the problem there is unique to shields. It would be fine with them stacking, except that shield stacking poses a unique problem of being able to spam and outstack damage to the point, where you triviliaze encounters. Stacking HoTs doesn't prevent damage.... so if 2k damage comes in, you take the damage and then heal up. If you could stack shields, then that damage is prevented, which can simply override mechanics that could be meant to kill you.. or otherwise reduce your health.

Even if someone has a heal that will completely heal an entire group, after they take damage- before that heal- there is danger of dying. Stacking shields and preventing damage mitigates any danger.

Shields are inherently superior to healing, so you can't expect to have equal healing AND shields. You also have to recognize the damage balancing limitations that exist on shields. Damage can't be balanced against stacked shields, or they will one-shot people and make shielders mandatory.

(Edit: Also, stacking shields to prevent need for burst healing makes the whm burst healing niche obsolete... which would mean they would need to give whm equal mana regen tools and shields... you are homogenizing because you refuse to accept your limitations and class/job distinction. You want it all.)

[BrodyAlgana]

Why do you want to be competitive with a us White Mages? If you want to ... then just be a White Mage. Each class was designed a certain way, if you don't like the design of your class, switch your main hand weapon. I wish people would learn they don't normally "buff" classes in these games... especially healing classes. If you complain too much, square is more likely to make white mages WORSE healers than make you better ones.

[ApolloGenX]

Yeah, I am leveling a whm and a scholar and prefer to just switch jobs as needed than have one class be completely worthless because of a few bad whiny players. The whole point of the armory system is that you can switch, as needed.

So, if you think whms are so much better, or your group wants one for an encounter, just switch to whm. It's that easy. For fights where SCH is preferred, I will just switch to scholar... not whine that everything needs to cater to whms.

[Keres]

The flamewars in this thread make me sad. Aren't we healers all on the same team?

[Kupo_Nut]

The flamewars in this thread make me sad. Aren't we healers all on the same team?

NEVAH!
WHMs should know their place! they are beneath us Scholars, master race.
We are too powerful that even SE feared us and limited us with stupid mechanics and bad A.I. ...