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  1. #311
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    savant07's Avatar
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    Ashen Valanar
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 50
    I honestly don't see a reason for ever bringing a bard over any other DPS. People will be able to manage their resources and beat encounters quick enough for ppl to not run out of resources. Honestly, I think that bard dps is probably 4th highest in a tank and spank no mechanics fight. DRG damage potency on skills are so high. MNK has insane buffs and speed and also high potency. And of course, the TOP dps has got to be BLM. Has anyone ever seen that hard mode titan video of a black mage doing Fire I for 500+ damage and Fire III for 800+ and Blizzard III for 350-400...these are not even crits. Bards are lucky to hit more than 300 crits. Honestly, BLM edges all DPS out. Hands down. Played well, mechanics or not, specific fight or not, BLM offer a lot more pure damage over bards/drg/mnk from what I've seen in terms of numbers.
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    Last edited by savant07; 09-04-2013 at 03:12 PM.

  2. #312
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    AzelDarkfire's Avatar
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    Azel Darkfire
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    Cerberus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    no1 class is the best you have to look past the char to see whos playing it some people may be better than others be able to anticapate enemy and damage control them 2much aoe can be a bad thing depending on tank to much single target may coz other mods to deal more dmg to tank it all hass a balance
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  3. #313
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    HecatesLover's Avatar
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    Hecate Arcana
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    Behemoth
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    Archer Lv 50
    To the inexperienced things look off based on big hits in some places and potencies. Heres a tip. Ignore that crap. My guild parses everything and Bards are on par with everything up until we use a song. Still I'll break it all down so people can better understand some misconceptions.

    Dragoon vs. Monk: Monk solos worse than Dragoon because a lot of Monk potential DPS is tied up in positional damage. Dragoon uses a positional for a debuff and have an entire chain that does not require positioning at all. Monk's highest DPS chain is entirely positional.

    Bard: Bard does a lot of smaller hits quickly. Bard's two DoTs do a total damage about equal to a Fire 1. When a Bard's DoT crits an off-GCD (meaning you can use it between abilities without triggering a global cooldown) called Bloodletter can reset it's cooldown. On top of that Misery's End is a strong off GCD that gives Bard a big DPS boost on low health enemies.
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  4. #314
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    HecatesLover's Avatar
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    Hecate Arcana
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    Behemoth
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    Archer Lv 50
    Black Mage: The unquestioned King of AoE damage. Nobody can AoE for high damage as long as a Black Mage can. Some classes can keep up for a little bit but run out of TP (Bard, ahem). Single target a Black Mage gets really big hits. But their cast time is longer than the GCD and they have no off GCD attacks. I, a Bard, have been running with a Black Mage regularly the past two days for Amdapor and neither of us is willing to claim that one of us is doing more DPS.

    Summoner: Our parses in Castrum, Praetorium and Ifrit show Summoners being competitive but a little bit behind. Our parses also aren't picking up all of the damage abilities that our Summoners are using. We estimate that Summoner does slightly above curve damage with the abilities that aren't being counted.


    Now which class does the most DPS? According to parses it is too difficult to tell at the moment. They are all over the place and we have varying levels of gear.
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  5. #315
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    Malix's Avatar
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    Malix Farwin
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by savant07 View Post
    I honestly don't see a reason for ever bringing a bard over any other DPS. People will be able to manage their resources and beat encounters quick enough for ppl to not run out of resources. Honestly, I think that bard dps is probably 4th highest in a tank and spank no mechanics fight. DRG damage potency on skills are so high. MNK has insane buffs and speed and also high potency. And of course, the TOP dps has got to be BLM. Has anyone ever seen that hard mode titan video of a black mage doing Fire I for 500+ damage and Fire III for 800+ and Blizzard III for 350-400...these are not even crits. Bards are lucky to hit more than 300 crits. Honestly, BLM edges all DPS out. Hands down. Played well, mechanics or not, specific fight or not, BLM offer a lot more pure damage over bards/drg/mnk from what I've seen in terms of numbers.
    What bards have you been playing with? imaginary ones?
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  6. #316
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    Thotor's Avatar
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    Faeldi Chantelune
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    Moogle
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Malix View Post
    What bards have you been playing with? imaginary ones?
    He is not 50. There is your answer.
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  7. #317
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    ExiaQuanta's Avatar
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    Reimi Namikaze
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    Leviathan
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    Archer Lv 80
    supposingly, Dragoons and Monks are the better Dps but......I out dmged alot of Dragoons and Monks so far as a BRD.....

    I usually end up doing about 54% of the damage while they do the other 46%
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  8. #318
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    GreenMagus's Avatar
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    Eruca Fleuret
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    Leviathan
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    Lancer Lv 70
    I occasionally see people saying Summoners are bad DPS, and some dont even allow one in their party.

    They're not that bad, are they?
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  9. #319
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    Vodomir's Avatar
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    Vodomir Daemaethor
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    Shiva
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by savant07 View Post
    And of course, the TOP dps has got to be BLM. Has anyone ever seen that hard mode titan video of a black mage doing Fire I for 500+ damage and Fire III for 800+ and Blizzard III for 350-400...these are not even crits. Bards are lucky to hit more than 300 crits. Honestly, BLM edges all DPS out. Hands down. Played well, mechanics or not, specific fight or not, BLM offer a lot more pure damage over bards/drg/mnk from what I've seen in terms of numbers.
    There's some big (and unfortunately common) misconception in your perception though. DPS is a function of damage and time (this is why it reads as Damage Per Second) and can therefore not be judged by just looking at who does the highest damage per skill or crit. Big individual hits don't tell anything about DPS.

    Let's assume class A would hit for 1000 hitpoints, but the skill casts for 5 seconds. Now class B only hits for 600 (which is obviously way smaller than 1000), but the skill is on Global CD and can therefore be used every 2.5 seconds. Now which one has more DPS? And on top of this class B has a couple of Off-CD Skills that can be used between two GCD-Skills (without messing with their timing) to further enhance the DPS, while class A doesn't have anything the like. You get the picture?
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    Last edited by Vodomir; 09-04-2013 at 11:38 PM.

  10. #320
    Player ilJumperMT's Avatar
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    Skadi Frostborn
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    Moogle
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by savant07 View Post
    And of course, the TOP dps has got to be BLM. Has anyone ever seen that hard mode titan video of a black mage doing Fire I for 500+ damage and Fire III for 800+ and Blizzard III for 350-400...these are not even crits. Bards are lucky to hit more than 300 crits. Honestly, BLM edges all DPS out. Hands down. Played well, mechanics or not, specific fight or not, BLM offer a lot more pure damage over bards/drg/mnk from what I've seen in terms of numbers.
    Omg 500 damage after 2.5 second cast?

    Too bad my monk has only .6 seconds GCD doing 300-400 damage per skill excluding auto attack speed and dots.
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