Stats are more broken than we thought

[viion]

Not surprising, since using gear higher than your level is generally worse than using something at your level. you can even see that its not giving teh right stats in the stat screen, and decide which is actually more effective when used.

Non optimal is fail, we have known that for some time, though usually if your close, its not so bad.

but even from your data, the bow is substantially more effective damage, and versus an actual high defense mob, i bet the damage would be even more noticeable.

now why did the level 22 mob show no results? probably because your base attack is completely effective.
As far as brew, this is apparently from research some new buff item which buffs all your stats, most notably, your actual stats, which are directly used in weaponskill calculations.

heres what ffxiah says


* HP +999 (not confirmed)
* MP +999 (not confirmed)
* Store TP +999 (not confirmed)
* Strength +999
* Dexterity +999
* Agility +999
* Vitality +999
* Intelligence +999
* Mind +999
* Charisma +999
* HP recovered while healing +999 (not confirmed)
* MP recovered while healing +999 (not confirmed)
* Attack +999
* Accuracy +999
* Defense +999
* Evasion +999
* Regen +300/tic
* Refresh +300/tic


the noticeable thing there is teh boost to your strength, which increases your max/minimum damage, and attack determines how much the defense effects your max/minimum damage. Also weapon skills have their own modifiers based more directly on your Stats then your attck, this has been known for some time.

Basically my educated guess says that the reason you arent seeing much difference in attack on some monsters is because you have already overcome thier defense, and since the effect of str is capped in this game (from what people say) you have no way to increase your damage beyond a certain point.

Here you go: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Transcendency

by the way when I used Crab bow over my Optimal bow, my Attack was higher in my stats screen (which is obvious it mostly is with any weapon, even armor)

You can defend it all you want but just go test it for yourself. its even been confirmed by Yoshi stats are broken so why you trying to defend something that is officially broken?

[Cairdeas]

Here you go: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Transcendency

by the way when I used Crab bow over my Optimal bow, my Attack was higher in my stats screen (which is obvious it mostly is with any weapon, even armor)

You can defend it all you want but just go test it for yourself. its even been confirmed by Yoshi stats are broken so why you trying to defend something that is officially broken?

FFXIclopedia moved to GamerEscape in case you didn't get the memo.
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Transcendency

[Physic]

Here you go: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Transcendency

by the way when I used Crab bow over my Optimal bow, my Attack was higher in my stats screen (which is obvious it mostly is with any weapon, even armor)

You can defend it all you want but just go test it for yourself. its even been confirmed by Yoshi stats are broken so why you trying to defend something that is officially broken?

uh the info you showed, unless im reading it wrong shows you get better damage with a higher level bow. the crab bow you are too far from to actually get a real increase in stats, if you look you ll see that your real attack doesnt usually beat something thats the right level, it may beat somethings thats drastically lower, but its almost never better than something your close to your level.


level 41 pug
attack on level 42 bagnjacks in description 127 actual when equiped at 41, 118 (-2 from attack earings, so really 116)
attack on level 39 himantes in description 120 actual

just by being 1 level off i lose 11 attack, which puts it behind a level 39 weapon by 4 attack.
Its totally logical your findings,
you notice a damage increase of about 40 using something that is almost optimal, and almost no increase, as compared to whats close to optimal for you.

you prove that the weapon does matter, and that optimal ranks work as intended and people should in general equip something that is optimal or below, as long as it isnt extremely far.

As to the transcendednt item, it isnt the attack that is boosting thier damage insanely, it is the strength, the effect of strength vs vit in ffxi has no cap. and weapon skills use stat modifiers for thier damage, the attack is still only a check on the monsters defense. your max damage and your weaponskill damage is more effected by your attribute modifiers for that specific weapon skill.


but that is XI science, this games science is still fairly unknown.
Yoshida said that the math was hard to understand, that doesnt mean its broken, it just means its complex, he is saying he wants to make it easier to understand for players, because players didnt understand it. I guarantee you that theres a formula that can tell you what your damage is based on your rank, your attack and your strength, and what skill you are using, it may not be intuitive, but neither was XI especially with weapon skill attributes.

all that aside your data proves that attack does work.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g?t=1304344074

notice that although in the weapon description in the right side it says that it gives 127 attack, in the right side with my actual attack it shows 118, and thats with +2 attack from my neckpeice. and this is just from being one level under optimal.
my level 39 weapon is better even though im 41. trust that this is usually the case with using gear that is not optimal, it gets way worse if it isnt favored.