Suggestion: More dynamic gameplay for healing

[Eldaena]

Sorry, but healing is still extremely boring and easy, so is playing a mage, even though you have "other things to do besides heal". Just because you have other things to do doesn't make it harder or more fun. You have unlimited MP, so you don't have to manage your other spells in between cures, and you have an auto-attack that does decent damage you can spam mindlessly as well.

You say "you have other things to do besides heal", but in reality you scroll through your list of abilities, and spam every debuff that isn't on cooldown(and they all have 30-60ish second cooldowns besides DOTS,which you spam until they land), ignoring MP cost, cast time, etc. Spamming every ability as they come off cooldown and spamming heals is not "hard" and "more stuff to do", it's completely mindless. It's why healing is boring.

Do people need cured? No- > Are abilitities on cooldown? No - > Cast spell not on cooldown

Yes > Cast Cure - =-=-=-Yes > Autoattack or nuke or DOT

Make more sense now? You cannot possibly argue that mage is fun, or enjoyable, or hard, or challenging. There is no skill to playing a mage, at all. It's a simple chart, as shown above. Maybe if we didn't have unlimited MP, maybe if we had to pay attention to things(refresh falling off, hastes falling off, bar spell falling off, regens falling off) it would be a lot harder, but the current mage system is easymode and a complete joke.

Thank you but the mages in this game are way more exciting and interesting to me than any of the melee. And you must have had bad experiences with poor mages to think we have unlimited mp.

IF you are a mage that doesn't even get close to being out of mp during an NM fight there are 1 of 2 kinds of mage you probably are:

1) A poor mage that only heals and then puts away their weapon, and essentially is not being as big of an asset to your party as you should be.

or

2) You are a wise mage that is efficient in battle and knows how to manage your mp with: Spiritbind, Tranquality, Exaltation, or Siphon MP in addition to monitoring your spells and rationing it appropriately.

Just because YOU do not care for the mage classes in this game, doesn't mean that what you're talking about are actual problems with the system. It's problems with the players.

In a fight I can not just be 'mindlessly' doing anything otherwise I am letting down my team. I have to time doing debuffs or spells to make sure it coincides with the hp loss of my party members. Also, I have to really manage my mp consumption unless I'm in a battle like Dodore. (Which, btw, I find Dodore EXTREMELY fun because I am nonstop spells, healing, debuffs, buffs and I never have to worry about my mp until nearing the end of the battle. I feel like a greater asset in that fight because it actually is a fight where no mage should run out of mp.)

Putting away your weapon in battle as a mage is the sign of a bad mage! Learn to ration your mp correctly because that is part of being a mage. As for you, Shiyo, you're disappointing to other 'real' mages that know what they're doing. We have to be an extremely flexible and alert class to take care of things correctly in a fight. The way you must play your mage MUST be really dull and boring. Another example of people making their own game terrible because they don't realize the potential of the role they could be playing.

[DeadRiser]

Thank you but the mages in this game are way more exciting and interesting to me than any of the melee. And you must have had bad experiences with poor mages to think we have unlimited mp.

IF you are a mage that doesn't even get close to being out of mp during an NM fight there are 1 of 2 kinds of mage you probably are:

1) A poor mage that only heals and then puts away their weapon, and essentially is not being as big of an asset to your party as you should be.

or

2) You are a wise mage that is efficient in battle and knows how to manage your mp with: Spiritbind, Tranquality, Exaltation, or Siphon MP in addition to monitoring your spells and rationing it appropriately.

Just because YOU do not care for the mage classes in this game, doesn't mean that what you're talking about are actual problems with the system. It's problems with the players.

In a fight I can not just be 'mindlessly' doing anything otherwise I am letting down my team. I have to time doing debuffs or spells to make sure it coincides with the hp loss of my party members. Also, I have to really manage my mp consumption unless I'm in a battle like Dodore. (Which, btw, I find Dodore EXTREMELY fun because I am nonstop spells, healing, debuffs, buffs and I never have to worry about my mp until nearing the end of the battle. I feel like a greater asset in that fight because it actually is a fight where no mage should run out of mp.)

Putting away your weapon in battle as a mage is the sign of a bad mage! Learn to ration your mp correctly because that is part of being a mage. As for you, Shiyo, you're disappointing to other 'real' mages that know what they're doing. We have to be an extremely flexible and alert class to take care of things correctly in a fight. The way you must play your mage MUST be really dull and boring. Another example of people making their own game terrible because they don't realize the potential of the role they could be playing.

When people talk about mindlessly using mp, not everything is about the damn NM's... why do people always refer to ONE type of battle to down anothers arguement on mp management.

YOU REALLY wanna talk about good mp management. They should get rid of the mp regeneration when you weapon is down like it was before that other patch. I never had a problem with mp management with the SKILLS they offered in game, especially with how easy it was to rank up to 20.
Maybe a person likes to just heal in game? What's wrong with their take on an old role that has been in the series from day 1? They are changing the armory system around for a reason, because all the classes are pretty damn dull and boring, not the players playing them. I have NEVER seen one person single heal a person since mp regeneration started. It's because people are mindlessy casting too many spells and using up all their mp (for what people would call noobs) that caused the regeneration to start. Yes, nobody likes to use strategy in games anymore...

p.s. just a brain explosion on the stupid mp regeneration topic

[Demacia]

Thank you but the mages in this game are way more exciting and interesting to me than any of the melee. And you must have had bad experiences with poor mages to think we have unlimited mp.

IF you are a mage that doesn't even get close to being out of mp during an NM fight there are 1 of 2 kinds of mage you probably are:

1) A poor mage that only heals and then puts away their weapon, and essentially is not being as big of an asset to your party as you should be.

or

2) You are a wise mage that is efficient in battle and knows how to manage your mp with: Spiritbind, Tranquality, Exaltation, or Siphon MP in addition to monitoring your spells and rationing it appropriately.

Just because YOU do not care for the mage classes in this game, doesn't mean that what you're talking about are actual problems with the system. It's problems with the players.

In a fight I can not just be 'mindlessly' doing anything otherwise I am letting down my team. I have to time doing debuffs or spells to make sure it coincides with the hp loss of my party members. Also, I have to really manage my mp consumption unless I'm in a battle like Dodore. (Which, btw, I find Dodore EXTREMELY fun because I am nonstop spells, healing, debuffs, buffs and I never have to worry about my mp until nearing the end of the battle. I feel like a greater asset in that fight because it actually is a fight where no mage should run out of mp.)

Putting away your weapon in battle as a mage is the sign of a bad mage! Learn to ration your mp correctly because that is part of being a mage. As for you, Shiyo, you're disappointing to other 'real' mages that know what they're doing. We have to be an extremely flexible and alert class to take care of things correctly in a fight. The way you must play your mage MUST be really dull and boring. Another example of people making their own game terrible because they don't realize the potential of the role they could be playing.

"You're just doing it wrong!"

No.

Just because YOU enjoy playing mage classes in this game doesn't mean that they're well designed. It's great that you're awesome at working with what you got with DoM but that doesn't change the fact that you can get away with spamming AoE spells in most fights.

[Shiyo]

"You're just doing it wrong!"

No.

Just because YOU enjoy playing mage classes in this game doesn't mean that they're well designed. It's great that you're awesome at working with what you got with DoM but that doesn't change the fact that you can get away with spamming AoE spells in most fights.

EXACTLY!! I refuse to reply to that guy, he already proved to me he's either a troll or his head is on completely backwards. Either way I can't talk to someone like that. Lina lux, just give up, this guy will not change his mind, he's in complete denial about everything and thinks this game is amazing and godly and the best MMO ever.

[DeadRiser]

EXACTLY!! I refuse to reply to that guy, he already proved to me he's either a troll or his head is on completely backwards. Either way I can't talk to someone like that. Lina lux, just give up, this guy will not change his mind, he's in complete denial about everything and thinks this game is amazing and godly and the best MMO ever.

Lol I just can't stand how people can mindlessly accept the games mages as is. Some people don't like depth to anything. And Shiyo, I am glad we play on the same server makes me happy

[Eldaena]

Lol I just can't stand how people can mindlessly accept the games mages as is. Some people don't like depth to anything. And Shiyo, I am glad we play on the same server makes me happy

If I were 'mindlessly' accepting things as they are, why would I even be here posting on this thread? Maybe if some people didn't 'mindlessly' agree how everything is supposedly 'bad' about the mage classes I wouldn't be here. What is most surprising is both of you have rank 35ish mages and are complaining on this thread as if you know all there is to being one in this game. Do you think I would have ranked up these classes if they were not enjoyable?

If you play this game 'mindlessly' then perhaps your experience will be just that. But there is some depth and complexities here in the game and I hope in the future there are more. I never said things were perfect and sunshine and butterflies. Like I absolutely abhor the conjurer AoE range, even though I managed with it and spot healed for 50 ranks. My point is, with the way the system is now it's not absolutely terrible, especially if you know what you're doing. And I'm sure the classes will only get more enjoyable in the future.

[DeadRiser]

If I were 'mindlessly' accepting things as they are, why would I even be here posting on this thread? Maybe if some people didn't 'mindlessly' agree how everything is supposedly 'bad' about the mage classes I wouldn't be here. What is most surprising is both of you have rank 35ish mages and are complaining on this thread as if you know all there is to being one in this game. Do you think I would have ranked up these classes if they were not enjoyable?

If you play this game 'mindlessly' then perhaps your experience will be just that. But there is some depth and complexities here in the game and I hope in the future there are more. I never said things were perfect and sunshine and butterflies. Like I absolutely abhor the conjurer AoE range, even though I managed with it and spot healed for 50 ranks. My point is, with the way the system is now it's not absolutely terrible, especially if you know what you're doing. And I'm sure the classes will only get more enjoyable in the future.

Experiencing stuff at ranks is a dumb way to go with things. You shouldn't have to experience how 'great' a mage class is at r50... that is just simply stupid.

[Eldaena]

Experiencing stuff at ranks is a dumb way to go with things. You shouldn't have to experience how 'great' a mage class is at r50... that is just simply stupid.

I'm not saying that. Obviously there are things that get better as you rank up, but why would I have ever started if I didn't like the core elements of the classes? My point is, you play mindless you get mindless play.

[Eldaena]

"You're just doing it wrong!"

No.

Just because YOU enjoy playing mage classes in this game doesn't mean that they're well designed. It's great that you're awesome at working with what you got with DoM but that doesn't change the fact that you can get away with spamming AoE spells in most fights.

I guess it just depends on the kind of people you decide to play with and how important your role really is vs how many people are in your party. Typically I am the only mage in all the fights I am in. I guess if you have two or more it makes things a little more trivial. Also, in my opinion, most other fights currently that are not NM or very high ranked mobs/ ones you are attempting to incapacitate, are rather...unimportant? There is still some mild tactics involved like not standing in the way of a raptor's breath or tail attack, but until these mobs become harder or we get some dungeons with something MORE than what these mobs have to offer, then the only battles that feel like they matter are NMs ones. Maybe that's just me again, however, it is the only time it feels as if people really have to use what they have gained from ranking up their classes as far as battle goes.

[DeadRiser]

I guess it just depends on the kind of people you decide to play with and how important your role really is vs how many people are in your party. Typically I am the only mage in all the fights I am in. I guess if you have two or more it makes things a little more trivial. Also, in my opinion, most other fights currently that are not NM or very high ranked mobs/ ones you are attempting to incapacitate, are rather...unimportant? There is still some mild tactics involved like not standing in the way of a raptor's breath or tail attack, but until these mobs become harder or we get some dungeons with something MORE than what these mobs have to offer, then the only battles that feel like they matter are NMs ones. Maybe that's just me again, however, it is the only time it feels as if people really have to use what they have gained from ranking up their classes as far as battle goes.

Just on another note, when people were actually grinding against some mobs before all the sp changes, roles were apparent in grinding. Crabs were fun, goats too especially in the smaller parties. Some things they have changed have made the game worse IMO. Grinding was fun and is fun to me, and they took that away since it's not really what people do... ALL everyone does is leve link now and behest=boring