Suggestion: More dynamic gameplay for healing

[Eldaena]

Lol I just can't stand how people can mindlessly accept the games mages as is. Some people don't like depth to anything. And Shiyo, I am glad we play on the same server makes me happy

If I were 'mindlessly' accepting things as they are, why would I even be here posting on this thread? Maybe if some people didn't 'mindlessly' agree how everything is supposedly 'bad' about the mage classes I wouldn't be here. What is most surprising is both of you have rank 35ish mages and are complaining on this thread as if you know all there is to being one in this game. Do you think I would have ranked up these classes if they were not enjoyable?

If you play this game 'mindlessly' then perhaps your experience will be just that. But there is some depth and complexities here in the game and I hope in the future there are more. I never said things were perfect and sunshine and butterflies. Like I absolutely abhor the conjurer AoE range, even though I managed with it and spot healed for 50 ranks. My point is, with the way the system is now it's not absolutely terrible, especially if you know what you're doing. And I'm sure the classes will only get more enjoyable in the future.

[DeadRiser]

If I were 'mindlessly' accepting things as they are, why would I even be here posting on this thread? Maybe if some people didn't 'mindlessly' agree how everything is supposedly 'bad' about the mage classes I wouldn't be here. What is most surprising is both of you have rank 35ish mages and are complaining on this thread as if you know all there is to being one in this game. Do you think I would have ranked up these classes if they were not enjoyable?

If you play this game 'mindlessly' then perhaps your experience will be just that. But there is some depth and complexities here in the game and I hope in the future there are more. I never said things were perfect and sunshine and butterflies. Like I absolutely abhor the conjurer AoE range, even though I managed with it and spot healed for 50 ranks. My point is, with the way the system is now it's not absolutely terrible, especially if you know what you're doing. And I'm sure the classes will only get more enjoyable in the future.

Experiencing stuff at ranks is a dumb way to go with things. You shouldn't have to experience how 'great' a mage class is at r50... that is just simply stupid.

[Eldaena]

Experiencing stuff at ranks is a dumb way to go with things. You shouldn't have to experience how 'great' a mage class is at r50... that is just simply stupid.

I'm not saying that. Obviously there are things that get better as you rank up, but why would I have ever started if I didn't like the core elements of the classes? My point is, you play mindless you get mindless play.

[DeadRiser]

I'm not saying that. Obviously there are things that get better as you rank up, but why would I have ever started if I didn't like the core elements of the classes? My point is, you play mindless you get mindless play.

And like I said and you said yourself, you rather enjoy spamming spells=mindless play... i'm done, goodbye

[darkstarpoet1]

Thank you but the mages in this game are way more exciting and interesting to me than any of the melee. And you must have had bad experiences with poor mages to think we have unlimited mp.

IF you are a mage that doesn't even get close to being out of mp during an NM fight there are 1 of 2 kinds of mage you probably are:

1) A poor mage that only heals and then puts away their weapon, and essentially is not being as big of an asset to your party as you should be.

or

2) You are a wise mage that is efficient in battle and knows how to manage your mp with: Spiritbind, Tranquality, Exaltation, or Siphon MP in addition to monitoring your spells and rationing it appropriately.

Just because YOU do not care for the mage classes in this game, doesn't mean that what you're talking about are actual problems with the system. It's problems with the players.

In a fight I can not just be 'mindlessly' doing anything otherwise I am letting down my team. I have to time doing debuffs or spells to make sure it coincides with the hp loss of my party members. Also, I have to really manage my mp consumption unless I'm in a battle like Dodore. (Which, btw, I find Dodore EXTREMELY fun because I am nonstop spells, healing, debuffs, buffs and I never have to worry about my mp until nearing the end of the battle. I feel like a greater asset in that fight because it actually is a fight where no mage should run out of mp.)

Putting away your weapon in battle as a mage is the sign of a bad mage! Learn to ration your mp correctly because that is part of being a mage. As for you, Shiyo, you're disappointing to other 'real' mages that know what they're doing. We have to be an extremely flexible and alert class to take care of things correctly in a fight. The way you must play your mage MUST be really dull and boring. Another example of people making their own game terrible because they don't realize the potential of the role they could be playing.

completely agree. once they get higher levels in any class they will learn there is more to any class besides what they think at r30. every class gets better at higher ranks. mage actually has more to do in a battle than a battle class does. well let me say if they are doing their job properly there is more to do. the game can only give you the tools to make itself enjoyable, but if you refuse to use the tools then they are worthless.

[Eldaena]

And like I said and you said yourself, you rather enjoy spamming spells=mindless play... i'm done, goodbye

I have said several times I need to ration spells and play conservatively in order to do the correct things at the correct time, otherwise risk losing a party member or wasting mp. That's not mindless. To me it sounds like you probably do leves and just spam heal and a regular attack every now and then. That sounds mindless. ^^:

[DeadRiser]

completely agree. once they get higher levels in any class they will learn there is more to any class besides what they think at r30. every class gets better at higher ranks. mage actually has more to do in a battle than a battle class does. well let me say if they are doing their job properly there is more to do. the game can only give you the tools to make itself enjoyable, but if you refuse to use the tools then they are worthless.

Like anyone can tell you, you should be able to witness a class individualism at any rank. If you haven't noticed, there are no jobs in this game. You do what you wanna do in the game, that's why they are talking about bringing classis name or titles back, because it isn't set in stone what someone should be doing.

[DeadRiser]

I have said several times I need to ration spells and play conservatively in order to do the correct things at the correct time, otherwise risk losing a party member or wasting mp. That's not mindless. To me it sounds like you probably do leves and just spam heal and a regular attack every now and then. That sounds mindless. ^^:

I rather grind than only log in to do leves or sit there and wait for behest. I like the strategic part of final fantasy games and currently, there isn't much strategy at all. Spamming heals shouldn't be a choice, you should be penalized for doing it, but NOPE now we have mp regeneration if you spam.

[darkstarpoet1]

Like anyone can tell you, you should be able to witness a class individualism at any rank. If you haven't noticed, there are no jobs in this game. You do what you wanna do in the game, that's why they are talking about bringing classis name or titles back, because it isn't set in stone what someone should be doing.

just because some people aren't intelligent enough to get that you need certain roles filled in each party and 3-4 people can fill that role does not make it a bad thing. it just makes it easier to get a group together and have the roles filled.

[Eldaena]

completely agree. once they get higher levels in any class they will learn there is more to any class besides what they think at r30. every class gets better at higher ranks. mage actually has more to do in a battle than a battle class does. well let me say if they are doing their job properly there is more to do. the game can only give you the tools to make itself enjoyable, but if you refuse to use the tools then they are worthless.

Right, only players have the capability of making abilities worthless to themselves. It's there for them to use and be inventive for the best playstyle there is for them. But to me it sounds like these two go into battle as a mage, cure and do an attack and that's all. That's not because of the mage classes being bad. It's because the leve mobs are extremely easy and cranking up the star rating doesn't net you anything, but more work. It's part of the reason I think they should make the sp system work such as : The harder the mob is the more sp you can gain from it. It shouldn't matter if it's not in your 'range' in rank. If you fought it and beat it, the sp shouldn't be less than a mob that would be in your rank range. They probably have it like that now because they don't want people power leveling each other, but that still happens anyway....so I don't think it's a valid argument anymore.